OneLisfun wrote:WeeBey wrote:OneLisfun wrote:WeeBey wrote:I use BL + FC as a proxy for how low your class rank can be and still come out with a BL job. Arent federal clerks usually the top of the class? I don't care if a federal clerk struck out at 2L OCI because obviously their grades weren't the issue.
If a school is placing 70% into BL + FC, I'm assuming that being a little below median isnt a big issue. Yes, there are some who got BigLaw jobs because of IP, URM, highly relevent work experience and connections, but there are probably an equal amount who had the grades for BL but didnt because they weren't interested, bid extremely stupid, got prestigious Gov't or PI, or were just really socially awkward and sucked at interviewing.
To your point, I agree with you, 70% is an insane number and there's probably nothing to worry about at a school like that if you can be an at all regular student and person in general. My question is more relevant for people making a decision based on a school like UMich, often having somewhere in the mid to low 40s without federal clerkships, then going up to over 50% each year once we add federal clerkships in. I'm not so sure median is a happy place to be at a school like this for someone who wants big law in a major market and does not plan to be applying for district court clerkships in Kansas. When I say I'm not so sure, I mean just that, I truly do not know.
If you aiming for NYC biglaw, I doubt firms look at the lower half the T14 any differently (excluding maybe Penn and GULC). Mich placed 53% in BLFC, Cornell did 74%. I doubt its because firms will dig deeper into Cornell's class but rather that Cornell has better access and more of their students big exclusively NYC at OCI.
I would beg to differ. I think it seems as though they are digging deeper into the class at Cornell, and I don't really see any reason to think otherwise. Michigan looks a lot more like GULC than it looks like Cornell every year, especially in the most recent year, where GULC's big law numbers were actually higher, and UMich only came out ahead by 5% once federal clerkships were added in. Cornell's BL + fed clerk difference from UMich is about four times that of the difference between GULC and UMich in the most recent cycle.
To address your other point about how you don't care if they couldn't actually get big law because it wouldn't be their grades/school. Every single T14 has numerous big law recruiters that take students that are around median and noticeably below median. It should matter to you whether the number you're looking at is partially comprised of people who struck out with grades that were higher than some other people who did get big law in deciding which school to attend, because grades are not the only thing these employers are looking at and luck is definitely involved (talk to different people who were around median at any T14, including GULC, there will be those who got five offers, and those who got zero). To consider everyone who got in the top half golden just because you know there were other people with worse grades who got the job is not intelligent. The idea is to maximize one's chances as much as possible, and the more students that got offers at a school, the better the bet is that when you go, you will be one of those people. And there WILL at any DCNG be people who were in the 60th percentile and just for whatever reason things didn't work out for them (luck/bidding/the person who interviewed them had a bad day) and there will be other people in the 45th percentile who got big law. If your goal is to go to a school where being a great interviewer with great work experience and great bidding skills will get you NY big law, the search ends at T14, no need to look further, any will do. That's not what I assume you are trying to do here though.
Then you're not looking.