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Tiago Splitter
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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Tiago Splitter » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:20 pm

Brut wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:brut when you were a 0L less than a year ago you chose to go to NYU. What was the reason?

i debated law school and researched for 2.5 years before attending
i ultimately decided based on misinformation, incorrect assumptions, and misleading information perpetuated in the TLS echo chamber
it was a mistake of a cycle, though i hit a few lucky breaks, as you know
but why are you asking? are you just mocking me for my mistakes?
how long did you spend researching before going to columbia?

Look dude you chose because NYU killed it at biglaw plus fed clerk. The other stuff matters but the top schools all crush everyone at biglaw plus fed clerk which is why they are rightly top schools. Even now there's very little you could have used other than BL/FC numbers to make the decision you did.

@starry eyed: No story. I was just trying to get brut to admit he went to NYU in large part because of its excellent placement into biglaw and fed clerk positions.
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Re: Latest employment data

Postby 03152016 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:20 pm

@starry
you won't find much, i didn't post about much of it, other than the ED mistake
i don't feel like airing my dirty laundry in the on-topics
but i will say – i'm not claiming to be perfect
part of the reason i post is to stop people when i see them making mistakes, some of which are the mistakes i made in my cycle
but the fact my cycle wasn't great doesn't impact the strength (or weakness) of my arguments

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Arad » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:22 pm

Hutz_and_Goodman wrote:This is the new ranking regardless of US News:

I. Harvard Yale Stanford
II. Chicago Columbia NYU Penn Cornell
III. Berkeley Duke UVA Northwestern
IV. Michigan
V. Georgetown Texas UCLA Vanderbilt
VI. WUSTL Emory USC GW Notre Dame BU BC Fordham
VII. Minnesota Iowa Alabama W&M Arizona State Davis Irvine Georgia Wisconsin BYU Indiana Ohio State UNC Colorado Illinois W&L SMU Florida Wake Forest Tulane Georgia State U. Houston Kentucky Missouri Rutgers Villanova

If someone wants to do the rest of the schools fire away. But this is a ranking of the best 51 law schools in the U.S..


Lol...
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Re: Latest employment data

Postby UVAIce » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:22 pm

Hutz_and_Goodman wrote:This is the new ranking regardless of US News:

I. Harvard Yale Stanford
II. Chicago Columbia NYU Penn Cornell
III. Berkeley Duke UVA Northwestern
IV. Michigan
V. Georgetown Texas UCLA Vanderbilt
VI. WUSTL Emory USC GW Notre Dame BU BC Fordham
VII. Minnesota Iowa Alabama W&M Arizona State Davis Irvine Georgia Wisconsin BYU Indiana Ohio State UNC Colorado Illinois W&L SMU Florida Wake Forest Tulane Georgia State U. Houston Kentucky Missouri Rutgers Villanova

If someone wants to do the rest of the schools fire away. But this is a ranking of the best 51 law schools in the U.S..


Just to point out the obvious, this has some of the same problems that Vault rankings do: The NYC bias. I think this is probably a solid chart if all you care about is placement into some kind of big law no matter where, which generally really means NYC. I would definitely pick Northwestern over Penn if you wanted to work in Chicago or the Midwest - the list goes on.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby 03152016 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:23 pm

tiago, no dude, i really wish it were that simple. there were a lot of other poor choices involved tho. you can PM me about it if you really care. i don't want to talk about it itt

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Hutz_and_Goodman » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:25 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:Needs more tiers


I'm open to suggestions. The last tier is big because the schools all have very similar overall #s and big law #s such that the outcome of a student will have a lot to do with their grades.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby starry eyed » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:26 pm

Hutz_and_Goodman wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:Needs more tiers


I'm open to suggestions. The last tier is big because the schools all have very similar overall #s and big law #s such that the outcome of a student will have a lot to do with their grades.


why not just put:

schools with 20-25% BL placement as a tier, 15-20, 10-15, etc.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby checkers » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:29 pm

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby rpupkin » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:36 pm

Hutz_and_Goodman wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:Needs more tiers

I'm open to suggestions. The last tier is big because the schools all have very similar overall #s and big law #s such that the outcome of a student will have a lot to do with their grades.

Wait, your "new tiers" post was actually serious? Dude, c'mon.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Arad » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:42 pm

rpupkin wrote:
Hutz_and_Goodman wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:Needs more tiers

I'm open to suggestions. The last tier is big because the schools all have very similar overall #s and big law #s such that the outcome of a student will have a lot to do with their grades.

Wait, your "new tiers" post was actually serious? Dude, c'mon.


LOL

Crazy to see how much Texas has closed in on GULC. They're doing work.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby LSATneurotic » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:57 pm

LSATneurotic wrote:Yale is starting to look like a dumpster fire. It's probably because employers don't want to hire ungraded, and therefore untested, law students

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Rigo » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:58 pm

Stop Neurotic. We're not doing this.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby FSK » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:59 pm

LSATneurotic wrote:
LSATneurotic wrote:Yale is starting to look like a dumpster fire. It's probably because employers don't want to hire ungraded, and therefore untested, law students


This thread is useful and every poast you've ever made is SPS. Stawp

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby rpupkin » Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:00 pm

LSATneurotic wrote:
LSATneurotic wrote:Yale is starting to look like a dumpster fire. It's probably because employers don't want to hire ungraded, and therefore untested, law students

This post is so edgy. I didn't get it the first four times he/she posted it but now I can finally appreciate that LSATneurotic is the master of satire.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby LSATneurotic » Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:02 pm

rpupkin wrote:
LSATneurotic wrote:
LSATneurotic wrote:Yale is starting to look like a dumpster fire. It's probably because employers don't want to hire ungraded, and therefore untested, law students

This post is so edgy. I didn't get it the first four times he/she posted it but now I can finally appreciate that LSATneurotic is the master of satire.

Important debate bros

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby FSK » Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:11 pm

Brut wrote:tiago, no dude, i really wish it were that simple. there were a lot of other poor choices involved tho. you can PM me about it if you really care. i don't want to talk about it itt


We're all gonna make it bro

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Iwanttolawschool » Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:12 pm

Agreeing with the sentiment that UIUC should be ranked higher based on employment, but I do enjoy how bugs chose to use the FTLT with school funded number. Added emphasis yo

Edited to show the new list of schools UIUC is ranked lower than with LTFT w/o LSF

Emory
U of Washington
W&M
Irvine
Wisconsin
Indiana

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby AT9 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:27 pm

starry eyed wrote:
Hutz_and_Goodman wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:Needs more tiers


I'm open to suggestions. The last tier is big because the schools all have very similar overall #s and big law #s such that the outcome of a student will have a lot to do with their grades.


why not just put:

schools with 20-25% BL placement as a tier, 15-20, 10-15, etc.


Idk, I think those schools with 10-25% biglaw/fed clerkship and 60's/low 70's placement are all pretty much the same. They're too locally-focused to care about a 3% difference in biglaw placement.

If there's another tier, it should be the tier of state flagship types in small states that do decently in local legal markets, like New Mexico, South Dakota, Florida State, Tennessee, Baylor, etc., but have low or non-existent biglaw/fed clerkship placement. Then add a final tier with every other school and just call it the never ever go tier.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Mack.Hambleton » Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:35 pm

>baylor

No

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Dafaq » Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:03 pm

Hutz_and_Goodman wrote:This is the new ranking regardless of US News:

I. Harvard Yale Stanford
II. Chicago Columbia NYU Penn Cornell
III. Berkeley Duke UVA Northwestern
IV. Michigan
V. Georgetown Texas UCLA Vanderbilt
VI. WUSTL Emory USC GW Notre Dame BU BC Fordham
VII. Minnesota Iowa Alabama W&M Arizona State Davis Irvine Georgia Wisconsin BYU Indiana Ohio State UNC Colorado Illinois W&L SMU Florida Wake Forest Tulane Georgia State U. Houston Kentucky Missouri Rutgers Villanova

Better than USN or ATL have come up with.

Tweaks.
UVA/NW joins Mich at IV.
Emory down to VII. (Their employment rank is +40 after SFJ is subtracted)

Good to go!

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Rigo » Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:10 pm

Dafaq wrote:Tweaks.
UVA/NW joins Mich at IV.

The numbers don't support this.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Hutz_and_Goodman » Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:15 pm

Any ranking/tier system is imperfect, but I'm serious that this ranking (which took me 10 mins) is more useful for students deciding where to attend than us news.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Dafaq » Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:17 pm

Rigo wrote:
Dafaq wrote:Tweaks.
UVA/NW joins Mich at IV.

The numbers don't support this.

Subtract SFJ and they are #10, #11, #12.
Whereas Berk and Duke are notably better.

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby 071816 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:19 pm

Hutz_and_Goodman wrote:This is the new ranking regardless of US News:

I. Harvard Yale Stanford
II. Chicago Columbia NYU Penn Cornell
III. Berkeley Duke UVA Northwestern
IV. Michigan
V. Georgetown Texas UCLA Vanderbilt
VI. WUSTL Emory USC GW Notre Dame BU BC Fordham
VII. Minnesota Iowa Alabama W&M Arizona State Davis Irvine Georgia Wisconsin BYU Indiana Ohio State UNC Colorado Illinois W&L SMU Florida Wake Forest Tulane Georgia State U. Houston Kentucky Missouri Rutgers Villanova

If someone wants to do the rest of the schools fire away. But this is a ranking of the best 51 law schools in the U.S..

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Re: Latest employment data

Postby Desert Fox » Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:23 pm

newbie 0Ls post pictures and i will rate them




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