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[hoos89]

GWU should be #2 assuming your percentages are right.

how about we all run this joke into the ground more.

What joke? My post was in response to Dafaq's list of top 10 SFJ schools, but it ended up above it because it looks like he deleted and reposted with correct GWU %.

[Username123]

Saint Louis Law (SLU):

http://law.slu.edu/sites/default/files/ ... f_2014.pdf

FTLTBR (no LSF): 61%
FC + BL : 13.5%

[MikeJD]

Vandy is in:

17: Vanderbilt - BL+FC-41%, FTLTBR-85%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-73%
https://law.vanderbilt.edu/2014-EmploymentSummary.pdf

Well that's dosappointing. Holy hell at those school-funded numbers.

Well, fuck.

I'd still like to know what the school funded jobs actually entail.

it's just more time to look for a real job I assume? But it's better than nothing until you found something legit. Although I'm sure that gaming the rankings is the primary reason for schools having them.

[Mozart Lacrimosa]

I'm bearish on Detroit-Mercy, just doesn't have the legs to get that Grand Rapids Big Law

[Username123]

West Virginia : http://law.wvu.edu/r/download/210896

BL + FC : 17.8%

FTLTBR (no LSF/solos) : 57%

[Username123]

U San Diego - http://www.sandiego.edu/law/careers/stu ... a-2013.php

[JFO1833]

Good work to those above on St. Louis and West Virigina.

87: St. Louis - BL+FC-13%, FTLTBR-61%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-61%
94: West Virginia - BL+FC-18%, FTLTBR-57%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-57%
142: William Mitchell - BL+FC-5%, FTLTBR-54%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-54%

U San Diego - http://www.sandiego.edu/law/careers/stu ... a-2013.php

This is actually last years data, I checked it against the 2013 report from the ABA website. I think they are having some trouble getting their site updated.

Correction it appears to be half 2013/half 2014 data. They updated the number of graduates but not the full time employment.

[Username123]

Oregon : http://law.uoregon.edu/wp-content/uploa ... of2014.pdf

FTLTBR (no LSF/solos) : 45.1%

FC + BL : 3.8%

[Moneytrees]

I vote against the T18 suggestion, which could have only have been put forth by a WUSTL apologist.

[Winston1984]

Oregon : http://law.uoregon.edu/wp-content/uploa ... of2014.pdf

FTLTBR (no LSF/solos) : 33.7%

FC + BL : 3.8%

gadamn... Are there no legal jobs in Oregon?

[hoos89]

I vote against the T18 suggestion, which could have only have been put forth by a WUSTL apologist.

Not that I'm not biased or anything, but average COA probably should be a factor in the rankings. WUSTL was probably the cheapest T1 option for most of its students. WUSTL doesn't have T18 placement, but probably does have T18 value.

[Mack.Hambleton]

Oregon : http://law.uoregon.edu/wp-content/uploa ... of2014.pdf

FTLTBR (no LSF/solos) : 33.7%

FC + BL : 3.8%

How does a state flagship fuck up that bad

[Moneytrees]

I vote against the T18 suggestion, which could have only have been put forth by a WUSTL apologist.

Not that I'm not biased or anything, but average COA probably should be a factor in the rankings. WUSTL was probably the cheapest T1 option for most of its students.

Of course, that should count for something I suppose. But until it decreases its size substantially, it's going to be behind USC, ND, and probably BU and BC, in terms of outcomes.

[BasilHallward]

http://www.baylor.edu/content/services/ ... 242557.pdf

Baylor is out. Quite disappointing, but not much deviation from previous years. This must be a product of being in Waco. Baylor gets the scraps leftover from UT, SMU, and Houston.

[Username123]

Oregon : http://law.uoregon.edu/wp-content/uploa ... of2014.pdf

FTLTBR (no LSF/solos) : 33.7%

FC + BL : 3.8%

How does a state flagship fuck up that bad

It's a shame.

[AT9]

Oregon : http://law.uoregon.edu/wp-content/uploa ... of2014.pdf

FTLTBR (no LSF/solos) : 33.7%

FC + BL : 3.8%

gadamn... Are there no legal jobs in Oregon?

The 33.7% figure is inaccurate I think. Isn't it 83/184, so 45%? Still bad, but not 33.7% bad.

[MikeJD]

Another thing to keep in mind is that the class of 2014, while not as big as 2013 which was the biggest ever, is still one of the biggest ever. It's top 5 or so...

[MT Cicero]

Oregon : http://law.uoregon.edu/wp-content/uploa ... of2014.pdf

FTLTBR (no LSF/solos) : 33.7%

FC + BL : 3.8%

gadamn... Are there no legal jobs in Oregon?

The 33 figure is inaccurate I think. Isn't it 83/184, so 45%?

Yeah, this. 88 (total) - 1 (LSF) - 4 (solo) = 83. 83/184 = 45.1%

*Edited for accuracy

[Username123]

Oregon : http://law.uoregon.edu/wp-content/uploa ... of2014.pdf

FTLTBR (no LSF/solos) : 33.7%

FC + BL : 3.8%

gadamn... Are there no legal jobs in Oregon?

The 33.7% figure is inaccurate I think. Isn't it 83/184, so 45%? Still bad, but not 33.7% bad.

I thought it was 88 (FTLTBR) - 4 (Solos) - 22 (total Law School Funded positions) = 62/184 (total grads)

I might be wrong.

[Manteca]

Aren't L&C/Willamette sub 50% schools as well? Ugly.

[MT Cicero]

Oregon : http://law.uoregon.edu/wp-content/uploa ... of2014.pdf

FTLTBR (no LSF/solos) : 33.7%

FC + BL : 3.8%

gadamn... Are there no legal jobs in Oregon?

The 33.7% figure is inaccurate I think. Isn't it 83/184, so 45%? Still bad, but not 33.7% bad.

I thought it was 88 (FTLTBR) - 4 (Solos) - 22 (total Law School Funded positions) = 62/184 (total grads)

I might be wrong.

Law school funded is in the middle-ish section. You're looking at JD-Advantage jobs, which aren't funded by the law school. Those numbers aren't reflected in the FTLTBR.

I see also that I screwed up because 3 of the LSF jobs are JD-A. I'll update my previous post.

[JFO1833]

67: Oklahoma - BL+FC-10%, FTLTBR-66%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-66%
82: Oregon - BL+FC-4%, FTLTBR-46%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-45%

[Tiago Splitter]

Oregon : http://law.uoregon.edu/wp-content/uploa ... of2014.pdf

FTLTBR (no LSF/solos) : 33.7%

FC + BL : 3.8%

gadamn... Are there no legal jobs in Oregon?

The 33.7% figure is inaccurate I think. Isn't it 83/184, so 45%? Still bad, but not 33.7% bad.

I thought it was 88 (FTLTBR) - 4 (Solos) - 22 (total Law School Funded positions) = 62/184 (total grads)

I might be wrong.

Only 1 school funded job is FTLTBR

[hoos89]

I vote against the T18 suggestion, which could have only have been put forth by a WUSTL apologist.

Not that I'm not biased or anything, but average COA probably should be a factor in the rankings. WUSTL was probably the cheapest T1 option for most of its students.

Of course, that should count for something I suppose. But until it decreases its size substantially, it's going to be behind USC, ND, and probably BU and BC, in terms of outcomes.

It was pretty much even with USC, BC, and ND last year in terms of BL+FC, and was ahead of BU. It's also way more generous with aid than any of those schools, and frankly debt at graduation should be a major factor in grading outcomes. It's also ahead of all of those schools this year in FTLTBR-SJF (pending BU and BC 2014 reports). WUSTL also has been reducing 1L class sizes regularly since C/O 2013 (notwithstanding a reportedly unanticipated increase for c/o 2017), but has also been taking in a lot of transfers.

[Username123]

Law school funded is in the middle-ish section. You're looking at JD-Advantage jobs, which aren't funded by the law school. Those numbers aren't reflected in the FTLTBR.

I see also that I screwed up because 3 of the LSF jobs are JD-A. I'll update my previous post.

I am looking in the middle section. You took the FTLT Law school funded position and I took ALL of the students employed by the university, which might be wrong (22 - middle section, bottom right box)

ETA: I was looking at the wrong section of LSF. I assumed it was everyone employed by the law school, not just LTFTBR employed.

OOPS! My numbers above might be off then lol sorry! Still, Oregon's numbers are woof.