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[JFO1833]

Mind sharing the link for UCLA? can't find it for the spreadsheet...

Got it: https://law.ucla.edu/~/media/Assets/Car ... mmary.ashx

[starry eyed]

interesting to see how USC has beaten UCLA. UCLA on the decline

[Winston1984]

interesting to see how USC has beaten UCLA. UCLA on the decline

Zuck, can you give us a new tier based on this info?

[BrazilBandit]

Mind sharing the link for UCLA? can't find it for the spreadsheet...

Got it: https://law.ucla.edu/~/media/Assets/Car ... mmary.ashx

Thanks! Spreadsheet is updated!

[Finalfan]

USC/UCLA about even. need WUSTL/UT and Vandy.

[The Dark Shepard]

interesting to see how USC has beaten UCLA. UCLA on the decline

1% beat in BL+FC, but losing in terms of all jobs. UCLA still comes out on top

[Finalfan]

if it didn't have Yale next to it one would be badly misled by those numbers

[Moneytrees]

To be fair, UCLA and USC have always been pretty close in terms of outcomes. The posters who say otherwise have only been paying attention to the past couple years of data.

[starry eyed]

interesting to see how USC has beaten UCLA. UCLA on the decline

1% beat in BL+FC, but losing in terms of all jobs. UCLA still comes out on top

i think BL+FC is more important bc at that point it is mainly a function of your school/grades when it comes to getting employed. Other jobs require more hustling and connections from what i can tell that don't have much to do with your school unless its like comparing cooley and Harvard. USC and UCLA are peers but UCLA may have a slight networking advantage bc of its bigger class sizes.

[HalfStudent]

USC/UCLA were over 50% in BL+FC easily before the recession so clearly there is no full recovery.

[starry eyed]

USC/UCLA were over 50% in BL+FC easily before the recession so clearly there is no full recovery.

yes but that was also the height of the legal bubble

[Moneytrees]

UCLA's classes are too big.

[HalfStudent]

interesting to see how USC has beaten UCLA. UCLA on the decline

1% beat in BL+FC, but losing in terms of all jobs. UCLA still comes out on top

i think BL+FC is more important bc at that point it is mainly a function of your school/grades when it comes to getting employed. Other jobs require more hustling and connections from what i can tell that don't have much to do with your school unless its like comparing cooley and Harvard. USC and UCLA are peers but UCLA may have a slight networking advantage bc of its bigger class sizes.

UCLA will always finish ahead of USC in total JD required because USC pushes its people to private sector which leads to those JD advantaged jobs. They don't even fund their PISF clinics.

[BigZuck]

interesting to see how USC has beaten UCLA. UCLA on the decline

Zuck, can you give us a new tier based on this info?

Doesn't matter, UCLA/USC are regional schools and rankings after the T14 are insignificant. I'm sticking with this unless another school decides to shit the bed/pull a Yale:
HS
CCNP
DCN
B
V
GM
U(T)
Y

[071816]

USC/UCLA were over 50% in BL+FC easily before the recession so clearly there is no full recovery.

there probably never will be a "full recovery"

[starry eyed]

interesting to see how USC has beaten UCLA. UCLA on the decline

1% beat in BL+FC, but losing in terms of all jobs. UCLA still comes out on top

i think BL+FC is more important bc at that point it is mainly a function of your school/grades when it comes to getting employed. Other jobs require more hustling and connections from what i can tell that don't have much to do with your school unless its like comparing cooley and Harvard. USC and UCLA are peers but UCLA may have a slight networking advantage bc of its bigger class sizes.

UCLA will always finish ahead of USC in total JD required because USC pushes its people to private sector which leads to those JD advantaged jobs. They don't even fund their PISF clinics.

this was pretty helpful... i wish there were more anecdotes like this (inside knowledge)

If i were USC, i would come out and say this along with the ABA report.

[The Dark Shepard]

interesting to see how USC has beaten UCLA. UCLA on the decline

1% beat in BL+FC, but losing in terms of all jobs. UCLA still comes out on top

i think BL+FC is more important bc at that point it is mainly a function of your school/grades when it comes to getting employed. Other jobs require more hustling and connections from what i can tell that don't have much to do with your school unless its like comparing cooley and Harvard. USC and UCLA are peers but UCLA may have a slight networking advantage bc of its bigger class sizes.

BL+FC may be more important, but this is a 1% difference. If it was even 5% I might agree with USC>UCLA this year, but 1%?

[JFO1833]

Alabama is in.

22: Alabama - BL+FC-18%, FTLTBR-70%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-70%
http://www.law.ua.edu/wp-content/upload ... ummary.pdf

Also:
138: San Francisco - BL+FC-6%, FTLTBR-32%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-32%

[ub3r]

I was all set to go to UCLA but if a mere $30k secures me that 1% big law advantage, sign me up for USC

[starry eyed]

interesting to see how USC has beaten UCLA. UCLA on the decline

1% beat in BL+FC, but losing in terms of all jobs. UCLA still comes out on top

i think BL+FC is more important bc at that point it is mainly a function of your school/grades when it comes to getting employed. Other jobs require more hustling and connections from what i can tell that don't have much to do with your school unless its like comparing cooley and Harvard. USC and UCLA are peers but UCLA may have a slight networking advantage bc of its bigger class sizes.

BL+FC may be more important, but this is a 1% difference. If it was even 5% I might agree with USC>UCLA this year, but 1%?

read the post by halfstudent a few posts up- that could explain why, but there's no way to really verify

[Cobretti]

interesting to see how USC has beaten UCLA. UCLA on the decline

Zuck, can you give us a new tier based on this info?

Doesn't matter, UCLA/USC are regional schools and rankings after the T14 are insignificant. I'm sticking with this unless another school decides to shit the bed/pull a Yale:
HS
CCNP
DCN
B
V
GM
U(T)
Y

doesn't have G/G, these rankings are a farse

[BrazilBandit]

interesting to see how USC has beaten UCLA. UCLA on the decline

Zuck, can you give us a new tier based on this info?

Doesn't matter, UCLA/USC are regional schools and rankings after the T14 are insignificant. I'm sticking with this unless another school decides to shit the bed/pull a Yale:
HS
CCNP
DCN
B
V
GM
U(T)
Y

doesn't have G/G, these rankings are a farse

POWERHOUSES are a separate category...

[JFO1833]

For interest, based on the 78 reported schools so far:

17,015 graduates
9,990 Full time, long term, bar required (including 271 solo practitioners and 370 school funded)
2,059 Big Law (101+)
473 Federal Clerkships

BL+FC = 15%
FTLTBR (excluding solo) = 57%
FTLTBR (excluding solo and LSF) = 55%

[BrazilBandit]

Emailed UT-Austin and they said the report will be on their website on or before April 15th.

[ub3r]

For interest, based on the 78 reported schools so far:

17,015 graduates
9,990 Full time, long term, bar required (including 271 solo practitioners and 370 school funded)
2,059 Big Law (101+)
473 Federal Clerkships

BL+FC = 15%
FTLTBR (excluding solo) = 57%
FTLTBR (excluding solo and LSF) = 55%

hell yeah

I love numbers