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- mt2165
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shouldnt LST reports be out any day now?
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LOL seems like it
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not sure if you were responding to me, but like doesnt lst just like take the aba reports, turn them into colorful charts and graphs and break down the stats for us mathtards?starry eyed wrote:LOL seems like it
Re: "just" I dont mean to minimize what LST does-they're actually transcendent im just fiendin for them reports
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better be careful with those words lol, but i think somt2165 wrote:not sure if you were responding to me, but like doesnt lst just like take the aba reports, turn them into colorful charts and graphs and break down the stats for us mathtards?starry eyed wrote:LOL seems like it
Re: "just" I dont mean to minimize what LST does-they're actually transcendent im just fiendin for them reports
to be honest...this thread really undermines the importance of the numbers
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I just checked and nothing for yet for ’14. I did notice that ATL will release their top 50 rankings in May (drum roll not necessary). On the very top side of '13 they mirrored USN but then their rankings became puzzling. ATL moved Columbia from 8th to 4th (why was Columbia ever at 8?); NYU from 10th to 6th (again, why 10th?) and Penn which is kicking butt dropped from 5th to 8th but Mich which isn’t kickin’ butt went to 10thfrom 12th. Sort of like ATL lost their way.mt2165 wrote:shouldnt LST reports be out any day now?
Guess we’ll know soon how ATL will factor in the employment stats, SFJ and COL for ’14.
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above the law rankings are such a laughingstock
i hope elie chokes on his nightly hoagie
i hope elie chokes on his nightly hoagie
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Better than US News though, no?Brut wrote:above the law rankings are such a laughingstock
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for schools at the top, atl simply reaffirms the primacy of top schools and adds no value
for schools that aren't at the top, atl reaffirms the notion that there is merit in creating a national ranking of regional law schools, and in fact helps to legitimize that mistaken view by dressing it up in a purportedly more scientific method employing objective criteria
now instead of one alchemist we have two, with one saying the other is a quack
for schools that aren't at the top, atl reaffirms the notion that there is merit in creating a national ranking of regional law schools, and in fact helps to legitimize that mistaken view by dressing it up in a purportedly more scientific method employing objective criteria
now instead of one alchemist we have two, with one saying the other is a quack
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The barebones of LST comes from the ABA reports. So when the ABA releases the new data in a spreadsheet, we will put it in our database. We then turn this into charts and break down the stats. However, there are a lot more data on the site than what come from the ABA. There are also data from NALP Reports, which nobody else puts into a database. The most valuable data are probably the ABA data -- that's why we lobbied hard for the current required disclosures -- but we also played a critical role in changing disclosure norms above and beyond the bare minimum so that schools feel pressured to publish the NALP Reports.mt2165 wrote:not sure if you were responding to me, but like doesnt lst just like take the aba reports, turn them into colorful charts and graphs and break down the stats for us mathtards?starry eyed wrote:LOL seems like it
Re: "just" I dont mean to minimize what LST does-they're actually transcendent im just fiendin for them reports
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Yeah I don't think that the ATL ranking is "better". Using job outcomes to determine rankings is good in theory, but ATL places an emphasis on SCOTUS clerkships (which shouldn't be a factor in attending law school for the vast majority of students) and education cost (which makes no sense since some schools may cost a lot but provide generous scholarships).Brut wrote:for schools at the top, atl simply reaffirms the primacy of top schools and adds no value
for schools that aren't at the top, atl reaffirms the notion that there is merit in creating a national ranking of regional law schools, and in fact helps to legitimize that mistaken view by dressing it up in a purportedly more scientific method employing objective criteria
now instead of one alchemist we have two, with one saying the other is a quack
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manipulating the SCOTUS clerkship data is really just ATLs backwards justification for aligning with US News and keeping certain schools in the top spots, since they don't use "inputs" -- LSAT and GPA -- which is the controlling metric for the rigidity of the current US News rankings.Moneytrees wrote:Yeah I don't think that the ATL ranking is "better". Using job outcomes to determine rankings is good in theory, but ATL places an emphasis on SCOTUS clerkships (which shouldn't be a factor in attending law school for the vast majority of students) and education cost (which makes no sense since some schools may cost a lot but provide generous scholarships).Brut wrote:for schools at the top, atl simply reaffirms the primacy of top schools and adds no value
for schools that aren't at the top, atl reaffirms the notion that there is merit in creating a national ranking of regional law schools, and in fact helps to legitimize that mistaken view by dressing it up in a purportedly more scientific method employing objective criteria
now instead of one alchemist we have two, with one saying the other is a quack
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True to an extent, but Yale, Harvard and Stanford would all easily be T14 schools even if we only consider BL+FC.
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If the goal of rankings was to provide helpful information to prospective students, there would be 1 national ranking of the top fifteen law schools factoring in inputs and the likelihood of obtaining a Fed Clerkship or Biglaw gig. That's it.
Comparing regional schools, like the University of Washington with the University of Colorado, is completely mindless. If an applicant wishes to live in Honolulu, it literally makes zero difference that the University of Alabama is ranked in the 20's and the University of Hawaii is TTT.
And LOL at Above the Law and their rankings. Fucking hypocrites. Also how is trading inputs for web surveys and % Scotus Clerks making a better ranking system? The above poster nailed it when he or she said that the only reason for some of those criteria was to create a ranking system people would accept.
Comparing regional schools, like the University of Washington with the University of Colorado, is completely mindless. If an applicant wishes to live in Honolulu, it literally makes zero difference that the University of Alabama is ranked in the 20's and the University of Hawaii is TTT.
And LOL at Above the Law and their rankings. Fucking hypocrites. Also how is trading inputs for web surveys and % Scotus Clerks making a better ranking system? The above poster nailed it when he or she said that the only reason for some of those criteria was to create a ranking system people would accept.
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HYS could be 100% big law if they wanted but that's not their goal. Too many academics,PI and and privileged JD advantaged jobs they get.
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Interesting. I've had the opposite reaction after reading this thread and some of the advice it has spawned in the "Choosing a Law School" forum. I used to be critical of the USNWR rankings, and I still think they have limited value once you're in the realm of regional schools, but USNWR actually does a pretty good job of ranking the top 14.Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:If the goal of rankings was to provide helpful information to prospective students, there would be 1 national ranking of the top fifteen law schools factoring in inputs and the likelihood of obtaining a Fed Clerkship or Biglaw gig. That's it.
If you just go by Big Law + FC, you might think, and many on TLS are apparently beginning to think, that CLS and Cornell are basically peers. But that's stupid. CLS gives you more national mobility and more options outside of big law for those who are interested. And, intentionally or not, USNWR's goofy metrics capture this.
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(See below where this was copied and is much more readable).
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Maybe a public, locked google doc would work better?
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Data will be up on LST tomorrow morning.
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Definitely beats the google docjenesaislaw wrote:Data will be up on LST tomorrow morning.
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I send you virtual hugs and kissesjenesaislaw wrote:Data will be up on LST tomorrow morning.
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JFO1833 wrote:Now we have all the stats here is some sorted data. Each percentage is followed by the change from the prior year. Note that in 2014 this is 10 month period.
First column is Big Law (100 + attorneys) + Federal Clerkships over the number of graduates.
Second column is full time, bar required, long term jobs, excluding solo practitioners, over the number of graduates.
Third column is full time, bar required, long term jobs, excluding solo practitioners and law school funded, over the number of graduates.
In Excel this all lined up nicely, but TLS uses a font of variable width so the columns won't line up exactly.
Don't make any decisions based on this data, I might have messed it up. Verify, verify, verify (and let me know of any errors you find)!
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BL+FC FTBR FTBR-LSF Columbia 78.8% ( 00.8%) --- Cornell 95.8% ( 07.2%) --- Penn 91.4% ( 05.7%) Penn 78.1% ( 08.9%) --- Penn 94.6% ( 03.9%) --- Cornell 90.1% ( 09.7%) Chicago 75.7% ( 03.2%) --- UVA 94.3% (-01.3%) --- Duke 87.9% ( 02.8%) Stanford 74.9% (-03.0%) --- Columbia 93.8% (-01.2%) --- Columbia 87.2% (-01.2%) Cornell 74.3% ( 06.0%) --- NYU 93.5% (-00.1%) --- Chicago 86.7% ( 00.6%) NYU 71.4% ( 04.4%) --- Berkeley 92.0% ( 05.3%) --- NYU 86.0% ( 00.2%) Harvard 71.2% (-00.8%) --- Chicago 91.9% (-00.2%) --- Stanford 85.6% ( 00.5%) Duke 70.2% ( 10.1%) --- Stanford 90.9% ( 03.3%) --- Harvard 85.5% ( 00.0%) UVA 67.6% ( 04.7%) --- Michigan 90.3% ( 08.3%) --- Berkeley 85.0% ( 06.6%) Northwestern 64.9% ( 01.6%) --- Duke 90.2% ( 04.3%) --- UVA 84.8% ( 05.1%) Berkeley 62.4% ( 06.6%) --- Harvard 89.9% ( 02.6%) --- Michigan 81.8% ( 00.6%) Yale 60.4% (-05.1%) --- Vanderbilt 84.5% (-01.4%) --- Kentucky 79.4% ( 08.7%) Michigan 53.8% (-03.3%) --- Emory 82.5% (-01.1%) --- New Mexico 78.4% ( 05.6%) Georgetown 48.4% ( 01.9%) --- Northwestern 81.1% ( 01.9%) --- Northwestern 78.0% ( 00.5%) Texas 46.4% ( 04.1%) --- UCLA 80.4% ( 04.8%) --- Iowa 77.3% ( 01.5%) Vanderbilt 41.2% (-03.9%) --- Georgetown 79.7% (-04.0%) --- Boston College 74.4% ( 10.3%) USC 41.0% ( 07.3%) --- Kentucky 79.4% ( 08.7%) --- Vanderbilt 73.2% (-04.5%) UCLA 39.6% ( 00.1%) --- USC 79.3% ( 15.1%) --- Minnesota 73.0% ( 05.8%) Notre Dame 37.4% ( 03.7%) --- Notre Dame 78.8% ( 07.6%) --- WUSTL 72.9% ( 07.2%) Fordham 37.0% ( 00.4%) --- George Washington 78.8% ( 01.3%) --- Ohio State 71.9% ( 13.7%) Boston College 36.6% ( 02.6%) --- New Mexico 78.4% ( 05.6%) --- Seton Hall 71.6% ( 02.6%) Boston University 36.2% ( 09.6%) --- WUSTL 78.3% ( 11.3%) --- Texas 71.2% (-02.8%) George Washington 32.4% (-00.5%) --- Texas 77.8% ( 00.5%) --- UCLA 71.1% ( 04.9%) WUSTL 31.4% (-00.9%) --- Davis 77.5% ( 07.6%) --- Georgia 70.6% ( 02.3%) Emory 29.1% ( 03.4%) --- Iowa 77.3% ( 01.0%) --- Alabama 69.6% (-00.9%) Illinois 28.6% ( 00.5%) --- BYU 75.4% ( 12.1%) --- Yale 69.6% (-04.8%) Irvine 28.0% (-05.4%) --- Minnesota 75.3% ( 06.3%) --- Georgetown 69.5% (-02.9%) UNC 25.5% ( 02.5%) --- Boston College 75.1% ( 11.1%) --- Georgia State 68.7% ( 04.6%) Howard 23.9% ( 10.9%) --- Ohio State 73.3% ( 14.2%) --- Louisiana State 68.4% ( 03.3%) SMU 23.2% (-01.1%) --- Irvine 73.1% ( 08.8%) --- UNC 68.3% ( 00.2%) Temple 21.7% ( 07.2%) --- Boston University 72.8% ( 05.9%) --- Florida 68.3% ( 02.7%) William and Mary 20.9% (-04.4%) --- Yale 72.6% (-06.2%) --- Boston University 67.9% ( 07.1%) Washington and Lee 20.5% ( 00.9%) --- Illinois 72.4% ( 00.1%) --- Mercer 67.8% ( 02.9%) Minnesota 20.1% ( 02.9%) --- William and Mary 72.1% (-03.5%) --- Fordham 67.8% ( 04.3%) Georgia 19.6% (-00.1%) --- Seton Hall 71.6% ( 02.6%) --- Arizona-State 67.7% ( 07.4%) Ohio State 19.5% (-01.8%) --- Arizona 71.5% ( 14.4%) --- BYU 67.4% ( 04.1%) Indiana (Bloomington) 18.9% ( 02.5%) --- Georgia 70.6% ( 02.3%) --- SMU 66.9% (-02.7%) BYU 18.8% ( 07.3%) --- Alabama 70.2% (-00.3%) --- Baylor 66.9% (-00.1%) Iowa 18.8% (-01.8%) --- Colorado 69.7% ( 00.4%) --- Wake Forest 66.8% ( 10.2%) Houston 18.0% (-01.6%) --- UNC 69.1% (-00.2%) --- Miami 66.7% ( 07.2%) West Virginia 17.8% ( 07.1%) --- Arizona-State 68.7% ( 08.4%) --- Colorado 66.7% ( 00.2%) Davis 17.8% ( 01.4%) --- Georgia State 68.7% ( 04.6%) --- Nebraska 66.7% ( 02.2%) Tulane 17.6% ( 01.7%) --- Wake Forest 68.4% ( 11.8%) --- South Dakota 66.7% ( 06.1%) Wake Forest 17.6% ( 01.9%) --- Louisiana State 68.4% ( 03.3%) --- Notre Dame 66.5% (-03.6%) Alabama 17.5% (-04.7%) --- Florida 68.3% ( 02.7%) --- Oklahoma 66.4% ( 02.3%) Florida 16.8% ( 01.9%) --- Mercer 67.8% ( 02.9%) --- Kansas 66.4% ( 06.3%) Cincinnati 16.8% ( 04.0%) --- Fordham 67.8% ( 04.3%) --- Davis 66.3% ( 01.5%) Kentucky 16.7% (-00.6%) --- Baylor 67.6% ( 00.0%) --- Montana 66.3% (-02.9%) Vilanova 16.4% ( 01.4%) --- Miami 67.5% ( 07.0%) --- Florida State 66.0% (-02.3%) Wisconsin 16.1% ( 04.2%) --- SMU 66.9% (-02.7%) --- George Washington 65.4% ( 02.6%) Washington 16.0% ( 00.7%) --- Nebraska 66.7% ( 02.2%) --- Tulsa 65.3% ( 09.1%) Georgia State 15.7% ( 06.9%) --- South Dakota 66.7% ( 06.1%) --- Arizona 65.3% ( 08.1%) Loyola Marymount 15.4% ( 02.6%) --- Oklahoma 66.4% ( 02.3%) --- Vilanova 65.0% ( 11.7%) Rutgers-Newark 15.0% ( 04.2%) --- Kansas 66.4% ( 06.3%) --- USC 65.0% ( 05.1%) Colorado 14.5% ( 02.6%) --- Tulsa 66.3% ( 08.3%) --- South Carolina 64.9% (-02.4%) Hastings 14.4% (-00.6%) --- Montana 66.3% (-02.9%) --- Penn State 64.8% ( 20.3%) Wayne State 14.2% ( 03.9%) --- Florida State 66.0% (-02.7%) --- Missouri 64.4% ( 07.2%) Arizona-State 14.1% ( 03.4%) --- UNLV 65.5% ( 03.3%) --- Illinois 64.3% ( 00.7%) Missouri 14.1% ( 04.2%) --- Penn State 65.3% ( 20.8%) --- Idaho 64.2% ( 09.5%) St. Louis 13.5% ( 02.9%) --- Vilanova 65.0% ( 11.7%) --- UNLV 64.0% ( 01.9%) Richmond 13.4% ( 06.4%) --- South Carolina 64.9% (-02.9%) --- Washington and Lee 63.8% ( 07.1%) Marquette 13.1% ( 06.3%) --- Washington and Lee 64.6% ( 07.9%) --- Wisconsin 63.6% ( 06.8%) Yeshiva (Cardozo) 13.0% (-01.6%) --- Missouri 64.4% ( 07.2%) --- Indiana (Bloomington) 63.5% ( 01.1%) Brooklyn 12.8% (-01.2%) --- Indiana (Bloomington) 64.4% ( 01.6%) --- Louisville 63.4% ( 01.7%) Tennessee 12.6% (-00.6%) --- Idaho 64.2% ( 09.5%) --- Washburn 63.4% ( 03.8%) Montana 12.5% ( 01.4%) --- Rutgers-Newark 63.9% ( 08.0%) --- William and Mary 63.3% ( 07.5%) American 12.4% ( 00.2%) --- Wisconsin 63.6% ( 06.4%) --- Drake 63.1% ( 08.7%) Duquesne 12.4% ( 03.1%) --- Louisville 63.4% ( 01.7%) --- Emory 63.1% ( 00.7%) Connecticut 12.3% ( 01.6%) --- Washburn 63.4% ( 03.8%) --- New Hampshire 62.7% (-04.6%) San Diego 12.0% ( 02.2%) --- Drake 63.1% ( 08.7%) --- Utah 62.6% ( 01.2%) Case Western 11.9% ( 00.3%) --- Houston 62.9% (-00.3%) --- Irvine 62.4% (-01.9%) Kansas 11.8% ( 01.9%) --- New Hampshire 62.7% (-04.6%) --- Albany 61.8% ( 02.6%) Loyola Chicago 11.5% (-02.5%) --- Utah 62.6% ( 01.2%) --- Houston 61.7% (-00.7%) George Mason 11.4% (-00.4%) --- Southern Illinois 61.9% (-08.6%) --- Rutgers-Newark 61.7% ( 07.6%) Pittsburgh 11.3% (-00.7%) --- Albany 61.8% ( 01.6%) --- Belmont 61.3% (N/A) Baylor 11.0% ( 01.4%) --- Belmont 61.3% (N/A) --- St. Louis 61.0% ( 10.6%) Syracuse 10.9% ( 02.6%) --- Tulane 61.3% ( 09.3%) --- Washington 61.0% (-03.5%) Penn State 10.8% ( 04.8%) --- St. Louis 61.0% ( 10.6%) --- Southern Illinois 61.0% (-09.6%) Oklahoma 10.5% ( 05.1%) --- Washington 61.0% (-03.5%) --- St. John's 60.7% ( 05.0%) South Carolina 10.4% (-01.1%) --- St. John's 60.7% ( 05.0%) --- Tulane 60.5% ( 08.5%) St. John's 10.1% ( 00.7%) --- Temple 60.5% ( 01.5%) --- Rutgers-Camden 60.5% (-01.8%) Miami 10.0% (-00.6%) --- Rutgers-Camden 60.5% (-02.2%) --- Drexel 60.3% ( 12.5%) Santa Clara 10.0% (-04.3%) --- Drexel 60.3% ( 12.5%) --- Creighton 60.2% ( 06.6%) Louisiana State 09.6% (-01.4%) --- Creighton 60.2% ( 06.6%) --- Missouri KC 60.1% ( 15.0%) Maryland 09.5% (-04.6%) --- Missouri KC 60.1% ( 15.0%) --- Temple 60.1% ( 01.4%) Cleveland State 09.3% ( 01.7%) --- Cincinnati 60.0% ( 07.0%) --- Cincinnati 60.0% ( 07.0%) Pepperdine 09.1% (-03.1%) --- Loyola Marymount 59.8% ( 09.7%) --- Nova Southeastern 59.6% ( 01.1%) Louisville 08.9% ( 00.3%) --- Nova Southeastern 59.6% ( 01.1%) --- SUNY-Buffalo 59.2% (-01.4%) Rutgers-Camden 08.4% (-00.2%) --- Indiana (McKinney) 59.5% ( 11.6%) --- Florida International 58.4% ( 04.2%) SUNY-Buffalo 08.4% ( 02.8%) --- SUNY-Buffalo 59.2% (-01.4%) --- Indiana (McKinney) 58.4% ( 11.0%) Arizona 08.3% (-02.6%) --- Northern Illinois 58.6% ( 08.2%) --- Texas Tech 58.2% ( 03.2%) Illinois-Tech (Kent) 08.2% (-02.1%) --- Florida International 58.4% ( 03.0%) --- Oklahoma City 58.0% ( 01.6%) New Hampshire 07.9% (-03.3%) --- Texas Tech 58.2% ( 03.2%) --- Campbell 57.8% ( 05.2%) Indiana (McKinney) 07.9% ( 00.5%) --- Oklahoma City 58.0% ( 01.6%) --- Loyola Marymount 57.6% ( 08.2%) Northeastern 07.9% (-00.4%) --- Campbell 57.8% ( 05.2%) --- Northern Illinois 57.6% ( 07.1%) Drexel 07.8% (-03.1%) --- Maryland 57.4% ( 05.5%) --- Willamette 57.4% ( 02.9%) Arkansas-Fayetteville 07.8% (-01.3%) --- Willamette 57.4% ( 02.9%) --- West Virginia 57.4% ( 00.4%) Suffolk 07.7% ( 01.0%) --- West Virginia 57.4% ( 00.4%) --- Syracuse 57.3% ( 02.9%) DePaul 07.7% ( 01.0%) --- Syracuse 57.3% ( 02.9%) --- Maryland 57.1% ( 09.3%) Nebraska 07.7% ( 02.9%) --- Hofstra 57.1% ( 09.8%) --- North Dakota 56.6% (-02.9%) Texas Tech 07.5% (-00.1%) --- North Dakota 56.6% (-02.9%) --- Richmond 56.4% ( 00.0%) Utah 07.3% ( 01.8%) --- Richmond 56.4% ( 00.0%) --- Hofstra 56.2% ( 08.8%) Mississippi 07.3% ( 00.9%) --- Pace 56.2% ( 15.4%) --- Duquesne 55.9% ( 04.7%) Michigan State 07.3% ( 02.3%) --- Yeshiva (Cardozo) 56.1% ( 01.9%) --- Yeshiva (Cardozo) 55.9% ( 01.6%) Florida State 07.1% (-03.0%) --- Duquesne 55.9% ( 04.7%) --- South Texas 55.4% (-05.8%) Mercer 07.0% (-01.3%) --- George Mason 55.4% ( 06.4%) --- Touro 55.1% ( 03.4%) Memphis 06.9% (-02.0%) --- South Texas 55.4% (-05.8%) --- Tennessee 55.0% (-06.7%) Denver 06.9% (-01.8%) --- Denver 55.2% ( 00.9%) --- John Marshall (Chicago) 54.7% ( 05.8%) Creighton 06.8% ( 02.0%) --- John Marshall (Chicago) 55.1% ( 06.3%) --- Loyola Chicago 54.6% ( 06.3%) New York Law 06.7% (-00.2%) --- Touro 55.1% ( 03.4%) --- Denver 54.5% ( 00.6%) Seton Hall 06.7% (-03.4%) --- Tennessee 55.0% (-06.7%) --- Stetson 54.4% (-06.4%) UNLV 06.5% ( 01.9%) --- Loyola Chicago 55.0% ( 06.7%) --- Hawaii 54.4% ( 05.3%) Northern Kentucky 06.4% ( 02.0%) --- Case Western 54.8% (-03.9%) --- Case Western 54.2% (-04.5%) St. Thomas (MN) 06.3% ( 01.2%) --- American 54.6% ( 10.0%) --- Pace 53.9% ( 15.1%) Catholic (Columbus) 06.1% (-04.8%) --- Stetson 54.4% (-06.4%) --- William Mitchell 53.8% (-03.1%) Nova Southeastern 06.1% ( 00.2%) --- Hawaii 54.4% ( 03.4%) --- Samford 53.7% (-04.1%) Samford 05.9% ( 00.7%) --- Howard 54.0% ( 04.7%) --- Arkansas-Little Rock 53.6% ( 08.8%) Wyoming 05.6% ( 00.4%) --- William Mitchell 53.8% (-03.1%) --- DePaul 53.5% ( 08.4%) San Francisco 05.6% ( 00.6%) --- Samford 53.7% (-04.1%) --- Howard 53.1% ( 04.5%) Lewis & Clark 05.6% ( 03.2%) --- Arkansas-Little Rock 53.6% ( 08.8%) --- Gonzaga 53.1% (-07.2%) Stetson 05.5% ( 00.9%) --- DePaul 53.5% ( 08.1%) --- Arkansas-Fayetteville 52.7% (-13.2%) Mississippi College 05.1% ( 00.3%) --- Gonzaga 53.1% (-07.2%) --- Memphis 52.7% (-07.8%) South Texas 05.1% ( 00.8%) --- Arkansas-Fayetteville 52.7% (-13.2%) --- Brooklyn 52.4% (-04.1%) Hofstra 05.0% (-00.6%) --- Memphis 52.7% (-07.8%) --- Widener-Harrisburg 52.2% ( 00.1%) Loyola New Orleans 05.0% (-01.2%) --- Brooklyn 52.4% (-04.1%) --- Connecticut 51.9% ( 10.7%) John Marshall (Chicago) 05.0% ( 00.8%) --- Widener-Harrisburg 52.2% ( 00.1%) --- Lewis & Clark 51.7% ( 05.7%) Missouri KC 04.9% (-00.3%) --- Connecticut 51.9% ( 10.7%) --- George Mason 51.6% ( 04.2%) Toledo 04.9% (-01.9%) --- Lewis & Clark 51.7% (-00.3%) --- Duncan 51.1% (N/A) William Mitchell 04.9% ( 01.2%) --- Wayne State 51.5% ( 02.6%) --- Northeastern 50.9% ( 06.0%) Detroit Mercy 04.4% (-02.7%) --- Northeastern 51.4% ( 06.0%) --- Mississippi 50.8% (-07.6%) Maine 04.2% (-01.0%) --- Duncan 51.1% (N/A) --- Pittsburgh 50.7% (-03.0%) Belmont 04.2% (N/A) --- Mississippi 50.8% (-07.6%) --- Wayne State 50.3% ( 01.4%) Southwestern 04.2% (-00.8%) --- Pittsburgh 50.7% (-04.3%) --- Baltimore 50.0% ( 02.4%) Pace 04.1% ( 00.1%) --- Hastings 50.5% ( 08.9%) --- Hastings 50.0% ( 09.0%) California Western 04.1% ( 03.0%) --- Baltimore 50.0% ( 02.4%) --- St. Mary's 50.0% (-02.1%) Regent 04.1% (-00.2%) --- St. Mary's 50.0% (-02.4%) --- Illinois-Tech (Kent) 49.7% (-04.6%) Seattle 04.1% (-02.7%) --- Illinois-Tech (Kent) 49.7% (-04.6%) --- Wyoming 49.3% (-15.2%) North Dakota 03.9% (-00.1%) --- Wyoming 49.3% (-15.2%) --- Dayton 49.3% (-08.2%) Oregon 03.8% (-02.2%) --- Dayton 49.3% (-08.2%) --- Charleston 49.3% (-02.3%) McGeroge 03.7% ( 01.2%) --- Charleston 49.3% (-02.3%) --- Marquette 49.1% (-02.4%) Albany 03.4% (-03.2%) --- Loyola New Orleans 49.1% ( 00.3%) --- Vermont 48.5% (-06.0%) Golden Gate 03.3% ( 01.5%) --- Marquette 49.1% (-02.4%) --- CUNY 48.0% (-00.6%) Campbell 03.2% ( 01.0%) --- Vermont 48.5% (-06.0%) --- Loyola New Orleans 47.7% (-01.1%) Florida International 03.2% (-02.2%) --- CUNY 48.0% (-00.6%) --- St. Thomas (MN) 47.6% ( 05.8%) Ohio Northern 03.2% (-01.0%) --- St. Thomas (MN) 47.6% ( 05.8%) --- Mississippi College 47.4% (-04.4%) Appalachian 03.2% ( 00.9%) --- Mississippi College 47.4% (-04.4%) --- Chapman 47.1% ( 11.6%) Vermont 03.1% ( 01.1%) --- Chapman 47.1% ( 11.6%) --- Akron 46.8% ( 00.4%) Tulsa 03.1% ( 01.3%) --- Cleveland State 47.0% ( 02.4%) --- Pepperdine 46.5% (-05.2%) Charleston 03.0% ( 02.1%) --- Akron 46.8% ( 00.4%) --- San Diego 46.4% (-05.4%) Chapman 02.9% (-03.6%) --- San Diego 46.8% (-05.1%) --- Cleveland State 46.4% ( 01.7%) Elon 02.9% ( 01.2%) --- Pepperdine 46.5% (-05.2%) --- Maine 46.3% ( 07.8%) Dayton 02.9% ( 01.5%) --- Maine 46.3% ( 07.8%) --- Texas A&M 46.1% ( 08.1%) New Mexico 02.7% ( 00.9%) --- Suffolk 46.2% ( 10.5%) --- Suffolk 46.0% ( 10.3%) Washburn 02.7% (-00.6%) --- Texas A&M 46.1% ( 08.1%) --- Catholic (Columbus) 45.8% (-00.8%) Oklahoma City 02.5% ( 00.7%) --- Catholic (Columbus) 45.8% (-00.8%) --- Ohio Northern 45.7% (-13.6%) South Dakota 02.5% ( 01.1%) --- Ohio Northern 45.7% (-13.6%) --- Hamline 45.6% ( 03.5%) UMass-Dartmouth 02.5% ( 02.5%) --- Oregon 45.7% (-01.4%) --- California Western 45.2% ( 13.9%) Akron 02.4% (-00.6%) --- Hamline 45.6% ( 03.5%) --- Oregon 45.1% (-01.9%) New England Law 02.3% ( 00.0%) --- California Western 45.2% ( 13.9%) --- Regent 45.1% (-10.0%) Valparaiso 02.3% (-00.7%) --- Seattle 45.1% ( 03.6%) --- American 45.0% ( 07.7%) St. Thomas (FL) 02.3% ( 00.6%) --- Regent 45.1% (-10.0%) --- Seattle 44.7% ( 03.9%) St. Mary's 02.3% ( 00.9%) --- Valparaiso 44.8% ( 06.4%) --- Valparaiso 44.2% ( 06.4%) Widener-DE 02.1% (-02.2%) --- Michigan State 44.7% ( 07.8%) --- Michigan State 44.1% ( 07.2%) North Carolina Central 02.1% ( 01.5%) --- Widener-DE 44.1% (-02.2%) --- Widener-DE 44.1% (-02.2%) Whittier 02.1% ( 00.6%) --- St. Thomas (FL) 44.0% ( 00.1%) --- St. Thomas (FL) 44.0% ( 00.1%) Western New England 02.0% ( 01.3%) --- Roger Williams 43.9% ( 03.4%) --- Roger Williams 43.9% ( 03.4%) Northern Illinois 02.0% (-03.1%) --- New York Law 42.9% (-01.1%) --- New York Law 42.9% (-01.1%) CUNY 02.0% ( 01.3%) --- McGeroge 42.8% ( 06.6%) --- Northern Kentucky 42.3% ( 04.8%) Western State 02.0% ( 01.2%) --- Quinnipiac 42.5% ( 08.0%) --- McGeroge 42.2% ( 06.4%) Puerto Rico 02.0% ( 00.5%) --- Northern Kentucky 42.3% ( 04.8%) --- Quinnipiac 41.6% ( 07.1%) Southern Illinois 01.9% (-02.0%) --- Liberty 42.1% ( 13.1%) --- Liberty 40.8% ( 12.8%) Capital 01.9% (-02.4%) --- Barry 39.7% ( 06.9%) --- Barry 39.7% ( 06.9%) Gonzaga 01.9% ( 00.0%) --- Arizona Summit 38.7% (-01.9%) --- LaVerne 38.6% ( 09.6%) Southern University 01.8% ( 01.3%) --- LaVerne 38.6% ( 09.6%) --- New England Law 38.5% ( 02.2%) Quinnipiac 01.8% (-00.3%) --- New England Law 38.5% ( 01.6%) --- Elon 37.5% ( 05.5%) Widener-Harrisburg 01.8% (-01.5%) --- Elon 37.5% ( 05.5%) --- Toledo 37.4% (-10.9%) Florida A&M 01.7% ( 01.7%) --- Toledo 37.4% (-10.9%) --- Faulkner 37.3% (-11.2%) Arkansas-Little Rock 01.6% ( 00.2%) --- Faulkner 37.3% (-11.2%) --- North Carolina Central 37.3% ( 22.5%) Baltimore 01.6% (-03.6%) --- North Carolina Central 37.3% ( 22.5%) --- Atlanta's John Marshall 36.8% ( 04.4%) Hamline 01.5% (-00.6%) --- Atlanta's John Marshall 36.8% ( 04.4%) --- Arizona Summit 36.8% (-02.6%) Barry 01.4% (-00.1%) --- Southwestern 35.8% (-02.6%) --- Western New England 35.7% ( 02.6%) Thomas Jefferson 01.4% ( 00.3%) --- Western New England 35.7% ( 02.6%) --- Southwestern 35.5% (-02.9%) Liberty 01.3% (-00.8%) --- Ave Maria 35.5% ( 05.3%) --- Santa Clara 35.2% (-07.0%) Texas A&M 01.3% ( 00.7%) --- Santa Clara 35.2% (-07.0%) --- Capital 35.0% (-03.4%) Arizona Summit 01.2% ( 00.5%) --- Capital 35.0% (-03.4%) --- Ave Maria 34.5% ( 04.4%) Atlanta's John Marshall 01.1% ( 00.6%) --- Detroit Mercy 34.4% ( 02.7%) --- Detroit Mercy 34.4% ( 02.7%) District of Columbia 01.0% (-00.3%) --- Texas Southern 33.6% (-00.4%) --- Texas Southern 33.6% (-00.4%) WMU-Cooley 00.9% ( 00.0%) --- Florida Costal 33.5% ( 03.9%) --- Florida Costal 33.3% ( 03.7%) Florida Costal 00.8% ( 00.1%) --- Appalachian 32.6% (-09.4%) --- Appalachian 32.6% (-09.4%) Idaho 00.8% (-00.9%) --- San Francisco 32.0% (-02.0%) --- San Francisco 32.0% (-01.5%) Drake 00.8% (-02.1%) --- Florida A&M 29.3% (-05.5%) --- Florida A&M 29.3% (-05.5%) Texas Southern 00.7% ( 00.7%) --- Charlotte 28.8% (-01.5%) --- Charlotte 28.8% ( 00.8%) Roger Williams 00.6% (-02.9%) --- Western State 28.0% (-05.3%) --- Western State 28.0% (-05.3%) Charlotte 00.5% (-00.9%) --- Southern University 27.3% ( 04.5%) --- Southern University 27.3% ( 04.5%) Inter-American 00.5% (-01.3%) --- Thomas Jefferson 26.3% ( 00.3%) --- Thomas Jefferson 26.3% ( 00.3%) Ave Maria 00.0% (-03.8%) --- District of Columbia 26.2% ( 02.5%) --- WMU-Cooley 25.9% ( 03.0%) Duncan 00.0% (N/A) --- WMU-Cooley 25.9% ( 03.0%) --- Whittier 25.8% (-00.9%) Faulkner 00.0% (-02.0%) --- Whittier 25.8% (-00.9%) --- District of Columbia 24.3% ( 01.8%) Hawaii 00.0% ( 00.0%) --- Golden Gate 25.1% ( 02.8%) --- Golden Gate 24.0% ( 02.1%) LaVerne 00.0% ( 00.0%) --- UMass-Dartmouth 22.2% (-01.1%) --- UMass-Dartmouth 22.2% ( 01.8%) Pontifical Catholic 00.0% ( 00.0%) --- Puerto Rico 15.4% (-02.9%) --- Puerto Rico 15.4% (-02.9%) Touro 00.0% ( 00.0%) --- Inter-American 09.3% (-12.7%) --- Inter-American 09.3% (-12.7%) Willamette 00.0% (-01.6%) --- Pontifical Catholic 01.4% (-02.8%) --- Pontifical Catholic 01.4% (-02.8%)
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Re: Latest employment data
Question: why do we completely disregard solo practitioners?
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Re: Latest employment data
1) it's not a great way to break into the profession (high risk, lack of capital, lack of consistent income, lots of debt, no attorney skills, malpractice risk, lack of business/marketing savvy, etc)Moneytrees wrote:Question: why do we completely disregard solo practitioners?
2) it's something a lot of grads who couldn't find jobs do
3) any moron can do it
I think having a solo practice could be a lot of fun and maybe at some point in my life I would seriously consider it, but it's just not a good outcome for a fresh graduate under the vast majority of circumstances.
Seriously? What are you waiting for?
Now there's a charge.
Just kidding ... it's still FREE!
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