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[JMWZ]

I understand that a couple percentage points aren't statistically significant, but what if one school has a 10% greater BL+FC number. Is that something to make a decision based on, or could 10% just be self selection?

[BigZuck]

I understand that a couple percentage points aren't statistically significant, but what if one school has a 10% greater BL+FC number. Is that something to make a decision based on, or could 10% just be self selection?

Which schools?

[JMWZ]

I understand that a couple percentage points aren't statistically significant, but what if one school has a 10% greater BL+FC number. Is that something to make a decision based on, or could 10% just be self selection?

Which schools?

Probably shouldn't put the schools. Two T1s

[lhanvt13]

I understand that a couple percentage points aren't statistically significant, but what if one school has a 10% greater BL+FC number. Is that something to make a decision based on, or could 10% just be self selection?

Which schools?

First Yale-> Cornell transfer in history. Duh

[BrazilBandit]

This is what we should expect for UT, according to Dean Ingram:

"New placement statistics will be available later today. Look for increased salary, modest placement increase and reallocation among firm size employment."

[rion91]

This is what we should expect for UT, according to Dean Ingram:

"New placement statistics will be available later today. Look for increased salary, modest placement increase and reallocation among firm size employment."

Sounds like modest dmg control

[Rigo]

I understand that a couple percentage points aren't statistically significant, but what if one school has a 10% greater BL+FC number. Is that something to make a decision based on, or could 10% just be self selection?

Which schools?

Probably shouldn't put the schools. Two T1s

Yeah we can't even advise you if you're this vague. Everything past T14 is regional so straight placement numbers don't matter as much if you're not from that regional and dont have ties there.

[thisiswater]

This is what we should expect for UT, according to Dean Ingram:

"New placement statistics will be available later today. Look for increased salary, modest placement increase and reallocation among firm size employment."

meaning more solos and less big law?

[BigZuck]

I understand that a couple percentage points aren't statistically significant, but what if one school has a 10% greater BL+FC number. Is that something to make a decision based on, or could 10% just be self selection?

Which schools?

Probably shouldn't put the schools. Two T1s

That one school looks like it does have somewhat of a pipeline into Chicago big law, but it still doesn't place particularly well. I wouldn't go to either with the expectation of big law. If you want big law go to the T14, that's what it's there for.

[BrazilBandit]

This is what we should expect for UT, according to Dean Ingram:

"New placement statistics will be available later today. Look for increased salary, modest placement increase and reallocation among firm size employment."

meaning more solos and less big law?

Maybe more "MidLaw" - if that's really a thing - since there's also a salary increase? or maybe just more professional and JD Advantage positions...

[Rigo]

JMWZ, just looked at your post history. No idea why you're chooosing to be vague now.
Seconding everything Zuck said, but I think you should go to the one in the more populous state where a recent president is from.

[JMWZ]

JMWZ, just looked at your post history. No idea why you're chooosing to be vague now.
Seconding everything Zuck said, but I think you should go to the one in the more populous state where a recent president is from.

Sorry if I'm being needlessly stupid. Thank you all.

[wsag826]

0L here. Do federal clerkship percentages matter on the same level that employment numbers do? Certainly they're prestigious but (i) do these clerkship percentages reflect people who are clerking in the 2016-17 year or beyond but are doing a legal fellowship or another JD job first; and (ii) if it is so hard to secure a federal clerkship in the first place, doesn't it kind of make the fed. clerkship %s in the top ten less of a big deal? Just wondering.

Side note, Cornell is doing fantastic. Small class size seems to work very well for them. And I think it should be CCNP at this point in time given Penn's numbers. Or maybe even CCP.

this post perfectly explains why even with more robust disclosure regimes, and even with dozens of law students and practicing attorneys trying to help, most 0Ls are hopeless
i thought we had turned a corner, but this thread has proven me wrong

the "fall" of harvard
cornell and penn in droves
"top ten"
new "subtiers"
the outsize influence of a subset of a subset of a subset, 0Ls completely ignoring context and other metrics
and the unfunny trolls egging them on, who are only making things worse

i've put in hundreds of hours trying to help prospective students in choosing and chances
maybe it was all a waste
maybe it's time to rethink this hobby of mine

First and foremost, outside of the typo of using "top ten" instead of "top fourteen" I didn't say any of those things.

Second, I was merely pointing out that Cornell and Penn's employment #s are much better than their USNWR ratings or perceived tiers. Yes, I am a 0L. But the very law school students and practicing attorneys who frequent this website reference rankings and tiers all the time. In fact, practicing attorneys I know and have heard from at admitted students panels and professional events have referenced them too. But they aren't speaking objectively, they're speaking to perception. As in, people perceive one school to be better than another because it's ranked higher or because its employment numbers are higher. I wasn't speaking objectively. I was speaking in reference to how people perceive tiers and ranks. Most people do not perceive Cornell to be in the same tier as Columbia, Chicago, and NYU, but their employment numbers tell a different story. Most people do not perceive Penn to be in the same tier as Columbia, Chicago, and NYU, but their employment numbers tell a different story. I wasn't suggesting one is better than others. I was merely saying that perhaps these employment numbers will change perceptions. I really didn't think I would have had to break this down...

And finally, if you think this is a waste, please move forward. 0Ls use this website as a resource and community, and forums are places for observations and insight. Your word is not the gospel or the end-all-be-all because you profess to be more knowledgeable while hiding behind a keyboard like the rest of us. If you seriously hope to help prospective students choose and chance law schools, you should become a consultant and do it in person or at least via Skype. And if you do want to respond to 0Ls on TLS, the least you could be is polite. My comment was harmless, at best.

[JFO1833]

63: Connecticut - BL+FC-12%, FTLTBR-52%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-52%
82: Hawaii - BL+FC-0%, FTLTBR-54%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-54%
RNP: Inter-American - BL+FC-0%, FTLTBR-9%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-9%

[rion91]

where is ut and bc tho for reals

[BigZuck]

If you seriously hope to help prospective students choose and chance law schools, you should become a consultant and do it in person or at least via Skype.

wut

Anyway, employment numbers aren't necessarily the end all, be all though. Just keep that in mind when you're unironically crafting your newest tiers based on this year's (or even multiple year's) data. It could be the end all, be all of course. But again, not necessarily. It's more complicated than that, sometimes much more so.

[BrazilBandit]

63: Connecticut - BL+FC-12%, FTLTBR-52%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-52%
82: Hawaii - BL+FC-0%, FTLTBR-54%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-54%
RNP: Inter-American - BL+FC-0%, FTLTBR-9%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-9%

767 students, 21 receiving grants... tuition is 15K/year, but still...

[WhiskeyAndCupcakes]

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[Dafaq]

Don’t read anything into it — Texas is always slow. Think of a tumbleweed on a windless hot day, that’s Texas and UT in particular. We had to be one of the last (or the last) to receive our bar results. That’s just the way it is.

[starry eyed]

what the dean means to say is that if you include firms with 50+ attorneys, our biglaw numbers are the same as last year

and also consider that texas does have a larger than avg midlaw presence

[JFO1833]

34: Boston College - BL+FC-37%, FTLTBR-75%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-74%
http://www.bc.edu/content/dam/files/sch ... Report.pdf

[Winston1984]

34: Boston College - BL+FC-37%, FTLTBR-75%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-74%
http://www.bc.edu/content/dam/files/sch ... Report.pdf

Damn. Not bad at all. Especially that FTLTBR number. Better than GULC, right?

[hoos89]

GULC had a pretty fad FTLTBR number, though. A lot of T14s had a better number. Solid BL+FC numbers from BC/BU though.

[Iwanttolawschool]

BC>BU in terms of employment again.

[Moneytrees]

Not bad, BC/BU. Both have cut class sizes in recent years so the solid employment numbers should continue.