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US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby Fred Norris » Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:36 pm

Sorry if this has been posted many times. I couldn't find it by searching. Where can I see the actual breakdown of scores for the US News rankings?

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Re: US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby TheodoreKGB » Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:45 pm

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Re: US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby Fred Norris » Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:50 pm

TheodoreKGB wrote:Hover over the gold icon


Thanks, but that's just giving me the total number. I am curious to see it broken down.

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Re: US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby Mack.Hambleton » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:31 pm

literally who cares

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Re: US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby Capitol_Idea » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:40 pm

Mack.Hambleton wrote:literally who cares


A little brusque, but yeah. that.

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Re: US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby Fred Norris » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:55 pm

Mack.Hambleton wrote:literally who cares


I do. That's why I asked. I don't understand why the question bothered you so much that you took time out of your day to troll this thread. Please explain the source of your anger.
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Re: US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby Mack.Hambleton » Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:12 pm

I would just say put 0 weight into USNWR in general, and specifically whatever their subsection scores for library size or whatever are

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Re: US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby Auxilio » Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:42 pm

Mack.Hambleton wrote:I would just say put 0 weight into USNWR in general, and specifically whatever their subsection scores for library size or whatever are


While I agree about not relying on USNWR, if anything I would think seeing their breakdown would make them slightly better -> i.e., employment score section is useful while a boost in library size can be ignored.

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Re: US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby Capitol_Idea » Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:51 pm

Auxilio wrote:
Mack.Hambleton wrote:I would just say put 0 weight into USNWR in general, and specifically whatever their subsection scores for library size or whatever are


While I agree about not relying on USNWR, if anything I would think seeing their breakdown would make them slightly better -> i.e., employment score section is useful while a boost in library size can be ignored.


I wasn't aware USNWR was in the business of getting 'better'; they're more about slapping the legal field in the face with their opaque/arbitrary as shit rankings dick.

In short, OP, I've yet to see that kind of breakdown posted anywhere. Would be interesting if it were available.

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Re: US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby baal hadad » Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:53 pm

USNWR rankings are shit and if you want employment stats (the only thing that matters) just look at law school transparency

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Re: US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby jbagelboy » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:18 am

Fred Norris wrote:
Mack.Hambleton wrote:literally who cares


I do. That's why I asked. I don't understand why the question bothered you so much that you took time out of your day to troll this thread. Please explain the source of your anger.


It's important that lurkers and potential applicants see it reaffirmed how little that shit matters.

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Re: US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby jenesaislaw » Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:00 pm

The U.S. News rankings hate is a beautiful thing. Good work, TLS.

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Re: US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby RCSOB657 » Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:07 pm

Realizing you're a small shop when are the school's in LST going to get updated?

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Re: US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby usernotfound » Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:20 pm

baal hadad wrote:USNWR rankings are shit and if you want employment stats (the only thing that matters) just look at law school transparency


With caution though, because LST reports employment trickery such as school-funded jobs. I believe UVA is the biggest culprit of that to boost their numbers.

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Re: US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby jenesaislaw » Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:54 pm

RCSOB657 wrote:Realizing you're a small shop when are the school's in LST going to get updated?


I will have 2014 data up within hours of the ABA releasing it. The problem is the ABA won't be releasing the data for at least a month. End of April is the absolute best case scenario.

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Re: US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby jenesaislaw » Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:55 pm

usernotfound wrote:
baal hadad wrote:USNWR rankings are shit and if you want employment stats (the only thing that matters) just look at law school transparency


With caution though, because LST reports employment trickery such as school-funded jobs.


Yes, definitely. Look at the red asterisks and then figure out if the types of jobs the school funds make you comfortable or not.

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Re: US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby RCSOB657 » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:14 pm

jenesaislaw wrote:
RCSOB657 wrote:Realizing you're a small shop when are the school's in LST going to get updated?


I will have 2014 data up within hours of the ABA releasing it. The problem is the ABA won't be releasing the data for at least a month. End of April is the absolute best case scenario.


Oh my bad I was under the impression ABA sheets for schools are already out.

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Re: US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby jenesaislaw » Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:57 pm

RCSOB657 wrote:
jenesaislaw wrote:
RCSOB657 wrote:Realizing you're a small shop when are the school's in LST going to get updated?


I will have 2014 data up within hours of the ABA releasing it. The problem is the ABA won't be releasing the data for at least a month. End of April is the absolute best case scenario.


Oh my bad I was under the impression ABA sheets for schools are already out.


Some data, not employment data.

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Re: US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby RCSOB657 » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:01 pm

jenesaislaw wrote:
RCSOB657 wrote:
jenesaislaw wrote:
RCSOB657 wrote:Realizing you're a small shop when are the school's in LST going to get updated?


I will have 2014 data up within hours of the ABA releasing it. The problem is the ABA won't be releasing the data for at least a month. End of April is the absolute best case scenario.


Oh my bad I was under the impression ABA sheets for schools are already out.


Some data, not employment data.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

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Re: US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby ub3r » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:03 pm

Lame how a lot of deposit dates come before the ABAs for last year are up.

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Re: US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby jenesaislaw » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:08 pm

ub3r wrote:Lame how a lot of deposit dates come before the ABAs for last year are up.


Yes, this is one of the arguments we made to the ABA when it reconsidered the employment reporting date. (It used to be Feb 15, now it is March 15.) Not only does this move away yet another month from when your loans enter repayment, but it also makes comparing data more difficult without enough additional value to justify the changes.

That said. it's a lost cause and we've abandoned advocacy on the date. In the future, it may come up again if schools start collecting data 3 years out, but even then I don't think it'd be a huge priority.

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Re: US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby Moneytrees » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:54 pm

Why is it taking so long for the info to be published if the reporting date was two weeks ago?

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Re: US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby jenesaislaw » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:47 pm

Moneytrees wrote:Why is it taking so long for the info to be published if the reporting date was two weeks ago?


Some things just take time. It used to be almost a year later before the data came out.

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Re: US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby banjo » Thu Apr 02, 2015 1:48 am

I think most of the metrics are in this chart: http://brianhuddleston.blogspot.com/201 ... coded.html

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Re: US News Ranking Score Breakdowns

Postby Fred Norris » Thu Apr 02, 2015 9:24 am

banjo wrote:I think most of the metrics are in this chart: http://brianhuddleston.blogspot.com/201 ... coded.html


That's really cool of you to find. Thanks!


EDIT:

I don't think these are worthless. The assessment by peers and judges/lawyers is really interested. I thought that Yale would be killing it, but it got the same score as HS.

Maybe I am wrong - but isn't this what counts when it comes to getting hired? The reason why you want to go to HYS instead of Cornell is because those doing the hiring have a better opinion than the aforementioned?




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