2016 USNWR T25 Prediction Contest (Winners Announced)

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Postby IsThisForReal » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:28 am

How will the scoring work for schools that USNWR puts in the Top 25, but are left off of ours?

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CONTEST ENTRY

Postby georgej » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:33 am

USNEWS COMPETITION ENTRY wrote:01. Yale University
02. Stanford University
02. Harvard University
04. University of Chicago
04. Columbia University
06. New York University
07. University Of Pennsylvania
08. University Of California - Berkeley
09. University Of Virginia
10. Duke University
11. University Of Michigan
11. Northwestern University
13. Cornell University
14. Georgetown University
15. University Of Texas At Austin
16. University Of California - Los Angeles
17. Vanderbilt University
18. University Of Southern California
19. Washington University
20. Emory University
21. University Of Alabama
21. University Of Minnesota
23. George Washington University
24. Boston University
24. University Of Notre Dame
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CONTEST ENTRY

Postby PKP319 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:09 pm

1. Yale University
2. Harvard University
2. Stanford University
4. Columbia University
4. University of Chicago
6. New York University
7. University Of Pennsylvania
7.University Of Virginia
9. Duke University
10. University Of Michigan
11. Northwestern University
12. University Of California - Berkeley
13. Cornell University
14. Georgetown University
15. University Of Texas At Austin
15. Vanderbilt University
17. University Of California - Los Angeles
18. Washington University
18. Emory University
20. University Of Southern California
21. George Washington University
21. University Of Minnesota
23. University Of Washington
24. William And Mary Law School
25. University Of Alabama

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Postby North » Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:28 pm

NEW PRIZE ADDED TO THE OP

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Postby North » Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:30 pm

AN EVEN NEWER PRIZE WAS ADDED TO THE OP

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Postby Winston1984 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:56 pm

North, if we call now will you throw in a copy of the LSAT Trainer for free?

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Postby lhanvt13 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:06 pm

Can we ship a glitter bomb to last place

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Postby chuckbass » Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:32 pm

lhanvt13 wrote:Can we ship a glitter bomb to last place

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Postby Mack.Hambleton » Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:36 pm

It seems like most people entering the contest are people who already applied or are in law school so idk what they're gonna do with all the pre law stuff

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Postby Hand » Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:39 pm

Mack.Hambleton wrote:It seems like most people entering the contest are people who already applied or are in law school so idk what they're gonna do with all the pre law stuff


I may be a mere applicant but I'm primarily in it for the hot sauce

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Postby Mack.Hambleton » Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:43 pm

hereisonehand wrote:
Mack.Hambleton wrote:It seems like most people entering the contest are people who already applied or are in law school so idk what they're gonna do with all the pre law stuff


I may be a mere applicant but I'm primarily in it for the hot sauce


I'm just gunning for the nuts

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Postby chuckbass » Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:48 pm

scottidsntknow wrote:
lhanvt13 wrote:Can we ship a glitter bomb to last place

Can this actually be the prize, and winner of the prize gets to choose which TLSer to send it to?

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Postby lhanvt13 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:12 pm

scottidsntknow wrote:
scottidsntknow wrote:
lhanvt13 wrote:Can we ship a glitter bomb to last place

Can this actually be the prize, and winner of the prize gets to choose which TLSer to send it to?

^ Better idea.

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Postby Mack.Hambleton » Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:12 pm

scottidsntknow wrote:
scottidsntknow wrote:
lhanvt13 wrote:Can we ship a glitter bomb to last place

Can this actually be the prize, and winner of the prize gets to choose which TLSer to send it to?


How u gonna get their address lol

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Postby chuckbass » Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:21 pm

Most likely you'd ship it to someone you already know pretty well so you should have a means of obtaining an address.

*cuse* you may have a gift coming your way bb

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Postby Rigo » Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:28 pm

Whoever wins LSAT stuff, feel free to send it my way.

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Postby North » Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:44 pm

Winston1984 wrote:North, if we call now will you throw in a copy of the LSAT Trainer for free?

working on it breh

looks like mike the lsat trainer might not want to play though

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Postby North » Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:46 pm

hereisonehand wrote:
Mack.Hambleton wrote:It seems like most people entering the contest are people who already applied or are in law school so idk what they're gonna do with all the pre law stuff


I may be a mere applicant but I'm primarily in it for the hot sauce

hell yeah dude. It should be really good this year. Last year's wasn't my finest but the switch in styles + no 1L exams should help with this one

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Re: 2016 USNWR T25 Prediction Contest (PRIZES NOW LISTED IN OP)

Postby North » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:10 pm

Mack.Hambleton wrote:It seems like most people entering the contest are people who already applied or are in law school so idk what they're gonna do with all the pre law stuff

Depends on what level you win at, but:

Grand Prize: Spivey's people do everything up to legal employment consilting, so unless you're a 2L/3L with a job locked down it could still be really useful.

First Prize:
    Everyone gets:
    Spivey's discount. Usefulness argument from above applies, but this one is transferable to another TLSer so you can give it to someone who will use it if you won't.

    Winners have the choice of receiving one of the following:
      Not transferrable
      My hot sauce appeals to everyone who doesn't hate america/happiness. Pistachios are the GOAT nut, no debate, plus they're from me. Who wouldn't want a UVA law shirt that I buy for you.

      Transferable:
      The Blueprint LSAT book. So, if you won't use it, gift it to a TLSer who will.

Second Prize:
    Everyone gets:
      Not transferable:
      lil stachios from me,

      Transferable:
      Spivey discount, LSAT Hacks explanations. So give them to someone who will use them if you won't

So you can dodge the 0L specific stuff pretty easily if you want. For the stuff you can't, it's in most cases an opportunity to do a younger TLSer a solid.

e: see, e.g.,
Dirigo wrote:Whoever wins LSAT stuff, feel free to send it my way.

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Re: 2016 USNWR T25 Prediction Contest (PRIZES NOW LISTED IN OP)

Postby lhanvt13 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:26 pm

scottidsntknow wrote:Most likely you'd ship it to someone you already know pretty well so you should have a means of obtaining an address.

*cuse* you may have a gift coming your way bb

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Re: 2016 USNWR T25 Prediction Contest (PRIZES NOW LISTED IN OP)

Postby DoveBodyWash » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:28 pm

lhanvt13 wrote:
scottidsntknow wrote:Most likely you'd ship it to someone you already know pretty well so you should have a means of obtaining an address.

*cuse* you may have a gift coming your way bb

wtf

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Re: 2016 USNWR T25 Prediction Contest (PRIZES NOW LISTED IN OP)

Postby North » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:33 pm

working on getting a prize from that harvardlawgrad guy right now

he runs some kind of law school exam prep class, so that'd be pretty legit

I might award that to myself considering I still suck really hard at law school exams

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CONTEST ENTRY

Postby LET'S GET IT » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:38 pm

USNEWS COMPETITION ENTRY wrote:01. Yale University
02. Harvard University
03. Stanford University
04. University of Chicago
04. Columbia University
06. New York University
07. University Of Pennsylvania
07. University Of Virginia
07. University Of California - Berkeley
10. Duke University
10. University Of Michigan
10. Northwestern University
13. Cornell University
14. Georgetown University
15. University Of Texas At Austin
16. Vanderbilt University
17. University Of California - Los Angeles
18. Washington University
18. University Of Southern California
20. Emory University
20. George Washington University
22. University Of Minnesota
23. University Of Washington
23. University Of Notre Dame
25. University Of Alabama
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Re: 2016 USNWR T25 Prediction Contest (PRIZES NOW LISTED IN OP)

Postby North » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:46 pm

IsThisForReal wrote:How will the scoring work for schools that USNWR puts in the Top 25, but are left off of ours?

So this was a good question. It seems like a big oversight, and I spent a while this morning just re-reading through the whole 2014 thread where we worked out the original rules and my PM's with Robb last year trying to figure out how it was missed.

In short, it was and it wasn't.

No, we don't have an explicitly stated rule governing this situation and we haven't in any of the past iterations of the contest. Admittedly, it was because we kind of forgot to fully grapple with it in the 2014 thread. But i's worked out fine for a reason that Robb put more succinctly than I could when we were PMing about it this morning:

Robb wrote:Yea, so when I was making grade.php, I was going to PM you about this, but ultimately concluded that you intentionally left out a rule for it it, because I don't think it matters much. Everyone needs to list 25 schools in their top 25. If someone leaves off a school that is in the top 25, that means they put another school in its place, and so a deduction will occur based on the difference in value between what they put in its place and where what they put in its place was actually ranked.

Of course, that does create some sort of asymmetry, because most errors are double counted (i.e., if you switch the #1 and #2 school, you don't lose two points, but two points for each = 4 points). But there is also more of a symmetry. T14 schools count for 2 points, and are very likely to count twice for two points because chances are they're not going to be left out of the T25. T14-T20ish count for 1 point, but chances are they're going to be double counted in the way I described. As you get closer to the edge, there is less of a chance of double counting. So it kind of makes sense--the lower the rank of the school, the less misplacing it tends to affect your score.

But as long as everyone else is held to the same rule, I don't think it really matters.


One solution we've considered is to assume that the entrant listed the missing school at #26 and deduct accordingly. Can anyone see an argument for a rule like this? Or is this insignificant so long as it's (not) applied to everyone?

Let's do some CONSTITUTION BUILDING ITT

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Postby 03152016 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:52 pm

north i hereby donate a sensual full body massage to the cause




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