US News rankings coming March 10th

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US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby Dog » Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:48 pm

http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/c ... oming-soon

I didn't see anything about this on TLS yet so I thought I'd share. Possible repost.

Edit: This might belong in Choosing a Law School.

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Re: US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby yeslekkkk » Wed Feb 18, 2015 1:00 pm

I'm interested to see how UCI fares.

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Re: US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby Rigo » Wed Feb 18, 2015 1:36 pm

So soon. Interested to see any surprise movement.

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Re: US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby LSATobsessed » Wed Feb 18, 2015 1:45 pm

should leak about a day earlier I think. spivey should get it to us sooner.

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Re: US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby nothingtosee » Wed Feb 18, 2015 1:47 pm

Just in time to get my transfer apps in...

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Re: US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby Tr3 » Wed Feb 18, 2015 1:54 pm

Predictions?

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Re: US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby Dog » Wed Feb 18, 2015 1:59 pm

yeslekkkk wrote:I'm interested to see how UCI fares.


Will this be the first year they're included? I'd guess t1 but not t20.

I don't think there will be any really interesting changes in the t14. Maybe Duke will pass Michigan, or Berkeley will slide a bit, or Penn will tie NYU or something. US News loves ties.
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Re: US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby gilessanderson » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:00 pm

Tr3 wrote:Predictions?


Yale is due for a plunge. I think this is the year.

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Re: US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby LSATobsessed » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:04 pm

emory moves ^^^^^

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Re: US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby FSK » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:04 pm

Hoping Schools with egregious transfer practices get crushed. Would love to See Georgetown out of T14 and GW out of T25.

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Re: US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby rpupkin » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:07 pm

Tr3 wrote:Predictions?

I have some inside info, so I almost feel like I'm cheating with my "predictions." But look for UChi to find itself all alone at #4, for UC Irvine to debut between #40 and #45, and for an unexpected rise for U Pittsburgh.

Please do not quote.

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Re: US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby MikeSpivey » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:13 pm

rpupkin wrote:
Tr3 wrote:Predictions?

I have some inside info, so I almost feel like I'm cheating with my "predictions." But look for UChi to find itself all alone at #4, for UC Irvine to debut between #40 and #45, and for an unexpected rise for U Pittsburgh.

Please do not quote.



I do too :) But it would adulterate the rankings predictions contest of which we are sponsoring a Grand Prize, so I can't share until after the rankings, at which point no one will care. What a Catch-22!

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Re: US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby DavidConeSplitter » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:14 pm

Has the USNWR updated their formula to put more weight on employment outcomes, and ratio of those/total cost and, closely related, scholarship generosity?

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Re: US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby buckiguy_sucks » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:14 pm

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Re: US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby buckiguy_sucks » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:17 pm

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Re: US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby MikeSpivey » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:18 pm

Yes the competition will be on TLS. I think North's rules are you have to have 100 TLS posts to enter.

We talked about the prize in our Q&A thread a bit. I'll try to find when I have more time if no one else beats me to the punch.

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Re: US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby Dog » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:21 pm

What is the prize? I have seen the contest before but never followed it.

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Re: US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby buckiguy_sucks » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:25 pm

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Re: US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby MikeSpivey » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:38 pm

buckiguy_sucks wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote: I think North's rules are you have to have 100 TLS posts to enter.


So you're saying I should post 70 times today? /sarcasm


No. Because I doubt he is going to close the poll tomorrow being that he hasn't even put it up yet. Again, his name here is North, not my rule I'd ask him.

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Re: US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby BigZuck » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:39 pm

rpupkin wrote:I have some inside info

NYC to 190 CONFIRMED!!!

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Re: US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby runinthefront » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:40 pm

DavidConeSplitter wrote:Has the USNWR updated their formula to put more weight on employment outcomes, and ratio of those/total cost and, closely related, scholarship generosity?


flawschoolkid wrote:Hoping Schools with egregious transfer practices get crushed. Would love to See Georgetown out of T14 and GW out of T25.


I think all of these things should be taken into account, and I don't see why USN doesn't at least try to add/modify a few of the factors it uses in ranking schools. It doesn't seem like their rankings have kept up with the current law school model/legal landscape.

I also think ATL had a great opportunity to really make a decent rankings list (albeit, an unnecessary one), but flubbed by letting # of SCOTUS clerks and federal judges account for ~14% of its methodology.

Just some thoughts

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Re: US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby Arad » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:52 pm

BigZuck wrote:
rpupkin wrote:I have some inside info

NYC to 190 CONFIRMED!!!


Dying

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Re: US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby Dog » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:53 pm

runinthefront wrote:
DavidConeSplitter wrote:Has the USNWR updated their formula to put more weight on employment outcomes, and ratio of those/total cost and, closely related, scholarship generosity?


flawschoolkid wrote:Hoping Schools with egregious transfer practices get crushed. Would love to See Georgetown out of T14 and GW out of T25.


I think all of these things should be taken into account, and I don't see why USN doesn't at least try to add/modify a few of the factors it uses in ranking schools. It doesn't seem like their rankings have kept up with the current law school model/legal landscape.

I also think ATL had a great opportunity to really make a decent rankings list (albeit, an unnecessary one), but flubbed by letting # of SCOTUS clerks and federal judges account for ~14% of its methodology.

Just some thoughts


I think ATL only counted clerks so heavily because it's one of the only ways you can put Yale (to a lesser extent possibly H/S, not sure) on top while trying to base so much on employment outcomes.

Yale lags behind some other t14s in biglaw and has higher underemployment. But if you put Yale at #7 or something, your rankings seem to lose credibility. I'm talking raw numbers, a lot of Yale grads aren't chasing typical employment outcomes.

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Re: US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby banjo » Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:13 pm

Dog wrote:Yale lags behind some other t14s in biglaw and has higher underemployment. But if you put Yale at #7 or something, your rankings seem to lose credibility. I'm talking raw numbers, a lot of Yale grads aren't chasing typical employment outcomes.


This is the irony of rankings. We want a better methodology, but refuse to accept a list that doesn't fit our preconceived notions. The result is that every site has to torture its data until HYS come out on top, then T14, and so on.

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Re: US News rankings coming March 10th

Postby JFO1833 » Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:30 pm

I hope that US News does not follow the lead of Above the Law and include cost in its ratings. Since many people do not pay sticker including cost can damage the usefulness of the ratings.

For example:

Imagine a student is choosing between two schools, a highly prestigious school at sticker, a less prestigious school at half price. This is not an uncommon scenario and renders the ratings useless for comparing these choices, if the sticker price is a factor. The appropriate question to ask is if the difference in price is worth the additional prestige.




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