Kansas Law admissions dean thread discussion thread

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Re: Kansas Law admissions dean thread discussion thread

Postby 20160810 » Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:21 pm

Coming to meta-thread to express my sincere excitement for the dean's reply to the Rev.

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Re: Kansas Law admissions dean thread discussion thread

Postby nygrrrl » Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:24 pm

SBL wrote:
Businesslady wrote:
SBL wrote:Even when I am figuring shit out on my own, which is increasingly often, it's done by referencing materials a 4L solo probably couldn't afford or asking other associates for help.

This does seem like a thing but I feel like a school serious about solos could still consider 1) extending its licenses for the materials available online to recent grads for a reasonable period of time and 2) expanding its practice clinics to include informal advice to recent grads in solo practice (with whatever disclaimers and indemnities necessary) as an admittedly way inferior substitute for associate supervision so the door doesn't hit them in the ass so hard when they get diplomas.

It just doesn't seem like that much of a thing in this instance, though, and there's gotta be a law Stack Overflow somewhere. Is the secret lawyer board fun?

I think law schools making their library materials available to graduates who go solo would be awesome.

I also like the idea of schools that are serious about solos expanding their clinical practices and more directly addressing the needs of solo practitioners (if you're marketing the idea to your students, why not offer classes and programs that will help prepare and support them when they go down that path?)

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Re: Kansas Law admissions dean thread discussion thread

Postby AReasonableMan » Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:09 am

nygrrrl wrote:
SBL wrote:
Businesslady wrote:
SBL wrote:Even when I am figuring shit out on my own, which is increasingly often, it's done by referencing materials a 4L solo probably couldn't afford or asking other associates for help.

This does seem like a thing but I feel like a school serious about solos could still consider 1) extending its licenses for the materials available online to recent grads for a reasonable period of time and 2) expanding its practice clinics to include informal advice to recent grads in solo practice (with whatever disclaimers and indemnities necessary) as an admittedly way inferior substitute for associate supervision so the door doesn't hit them in the ass so hard when they get diplomas.

It just doesn't seem like that much of a thing in this instance, though, and there's gotta be a law Stack Overflow somewhere. Is the secret lawyer board fun?

I think law schools making their library materials available to graduates who go solo would be awesome.

I also like the idea of schools that are serious about solos expanding their clinical practices and more directly addressing the needs of solo practitioners (if you're marketing the idea to your students, why not offer classes and programs that will help prepare and support them when they go down that path?)

It wouldn't be hard to offer classes about solo marketing, dealing with solo clients, etc. You could have enough cases on advertising or on fee disputes to fit the ABA requirement, and it wouldn't be hard to get professors for a quarter the price of what you're paying your con law prof from Yale LR. It wouldn't cost the school very much, and it could help its students. Teaching constitutional or int'l law at a TTT isn't benefiting anyone.

Adapting to the times would be beneficial for everyone (the school will get more students, and students will benefit by getting education they can use). As less and less people go to TTT's, the only ones that will have a place in 20 years will be those that adapt to the new legal economy. These sort of proactive changes are good, and don't have to be altruistic. The school will benefit as well.

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Re: Kansas Law admissions dean thread discussion thread

Postby shifty_eyed » Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:20 am

UT has a class related to starting a solo practice. IDK how useful it is, but I think it's a good idea.
http://www.utexas.edu/law/sao/courses/c ... _num=28305

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Re: Kansas Law admissions dean thread discussion thread

Postby PeanutsNJam » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:22 pm

Anybody know anybody who has, is, or will actually consider going to Kansas and would care enough to ask questions beyond "can I get a job after I graduate?"

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Re: Kansas Law admissions dean thread discussion thread

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:28 pm

PeanutsNJam wrote:Anybody know anybody who has, is, or will actually consider going to Kansas and would care enough to ask questions beyond "can I get a job after I graduate?"

People in Kansas. Chill.

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Re: Kansas Law admissions dean thread discussion thread

Postby 20160810 » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:51 pm

Re his reply to Birdnals, holy shit what a tool. Email was obviously sports banter and he actually tried to blackball a kid's law school admission over it.

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Re: Kansas Law admissions dean thread discussion thread

Postby Birdnals » Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:06 pm

SBL wrote:Re his reply to Birdnals, holy shit what a tool. Email was obviously sports banter and he actually tried to blackball a kid's law school admission over it.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm just shocked it didn't work. You would think an email from one of the best schools in the midwest's dean of admissions would have kept me out of law school. Especially considering the grave threat I included in my original email.

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Re: Kansas Law admissions dean thread discussion thread

Postby Winston1984 » Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:44 pm

Birdnals wrote:
SBL wrote:Re his reply to Birdnals, holy shit what a tool. Email was obviously sports banter and he actually tried to blackball a kid's law school admission over it.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm just shocked it didn't work. You would think an email from one of the best schools in the midwest's dean of admissions would have kept me out of law school. Especially considering the grave threat I included in my original email.

Did any of those other deans even bring it up? Were you accepted to all of those schools?

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Re: Kansas Law admissions dean thread discussion thread

Postby starry eyed » Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:02 pm

Birdnals wrote:
SBL wrote:Re his reply to Birdnals, holy shit what a tool. Email was obviously sports banter and he actually tried to blackball a kid's law school admission over it.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm just shocked it didn't work. You would think an email from one of the best schools in the midwest's dean of admissions would have kept me out of law school. Especially considering the grave threat I included in my original email.


assistant* dean of admissions, or he might be assistant to* the dean of admissions, who knows

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Re: Kansas Law admissions dean thread discussion thread

Postby mmelittlechicken » Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:04 pm

What a petty tyrant.

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Postby FKASunny » Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:08 pm

stay on topic please

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Postby lacrossebrother » Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:50 pm

I already made this thread a little while ago about how people who go to law school and then work retail instead of doing law as a solo or somewhere else just don't actually wanna do law. I mean, you've taken three years of loans but then are afraid to take a little more to get experience or find clients? What a crock.

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Postby jenesaislaw » Wed Dec 24, 2014 4:31 pm

lacrossebrother wrote:I already made this thread a little while ago about how people who go to law school and then work retail instead of doing law as a solo or somewhere else just don't actually wanna do law. I mean, you've taken three years of loans but then are afraid to take a little more to get experience or find clients? What a crock.


Are you aware of any loans that are as easy to get as federal student loans?

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Re: Kansas Law admissions dean thread discussion thread

Postby lacrossebrother » Wed Dec 24, 2014 4:39 pm

jenesaislaw wrote:
lacrossebrother wrote:I already made this thread a little while ago about how people who go to law school and then work retail instead of doing law as a solo or somewhere else just don't actually wanna do law. I mean, you've taken three years of loans but then are afraid to take a little more to get experience or find clients? What a crock.


Are you aware of any loans that are as easy to get as federal student loans?

Ya small business loans for opening a law practice aren't hard to get

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Re: Kansas Law admissions dean thread discussion thread

Postby AReasonableMan » Wed Dec 24, 2014 4:44 pm

lacrossebrother wrote:
jenesaislaw wrote:
lacrossebrother wrote:I already made this thread a little while ago about how people who go to law school and then work retail instead of doing law as a solo or somewhere else just don't actually wanna do law. I mean, you've taken three years of loans but then are afraid to take a little more to get experience or find clients? What a crock.


Are you aware of any loans that are as easy to get as federal student loans?

Ya small business loans for opening a law practice aren't hard to get

Don't you have to show like 3 years of business records to get a loan?

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Re: Kansas Law admissions dean thread discussion thread

Postby jenesaislaw » Thu Dec 25, 2014 12:45 am

lacrossebrother wrote:
jenesaislaw wrote:
lacrossebrother wrote:I already made this thread a little while ago about how people who go to law school and then work retail instead of doing law as a solo or somewhere else just don't actually wanna do law. I mean, you've taken three years of loans but then are afraid to take a little more to get experience or find clients? What a crock.


Are you aware of any loans that are as easy to get as federal student loans?

Ya small business loans for opening a law practice aren't hard to get


I'm going to go to a credit union on Monday and ask. I'll report back. I'm interested to know the answer, but from what I know, it isn't easy for somebody who has nothing to secure the debt with.

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Re: Kansas Law admissions dean thread discussion thread

Postby FKASunny » Thu Dec 25, 2014 12:58 am

"I'm an unemployed law grad with 150k+ in debt. Wanna help me run a business with restaurant-esque failure rates? Oh, and I have no professional experience."

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Postby lacrossebrother » Thu Dec 25, 2014 12:59 am

FKASunny wrote:"I'm an unemployed law grad with 150k+ in debt. Wanna help me run a business with restaurant-esque failure rates? Oh, and I have no professional experience."

oh sorry, I should have said you need a business plan...

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Postby FKASunny » Thu Dec 25, 2014 1:00 am

lacrossebrother wrote:
FKASunny wrote:"I'm an unemployed law grad with 150k+ in debt. Wanna help me run a business with restaurant-esque failure rates? Oh, and I have no professional experience."

oh sorry, I should have said you need a business plan...

fuck, I forgot to take that class

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Re: Kansas Law admissions dean thread discussion thread

Postby Nulli Secundus » Thu Dec 25, 2014 10:05 am

Don't say I never helped you guys.

Solo Lawyer Business Plan:

- Ambulance make/model in the area: Chevrolet 3500 DRW
- Average distance from which I could hear a siren: 1 mile
- Average speed of ambulance in city during an emergency: 50 mph

Image

- Chance that an ambulance heard is initially getting closer to office location (therefore being heard for more than a moment, making it most likely to draw attention): 22/28 =~ 78.57%
- Daily costs: $100
- Average traffic ticket paid during chase: $100
- Average maintenance for the bucket of bolts I call a car: $75
- Chance there is an actual negligence: %12.5
- Average trial win rate: 40%
- Average share of compensation: $7000

So, %78.57x(%12,5x40%x(5000-275)+%87.5x(-275))+%21.43x(-100)= 0,7857x(338.75-240,625)-21,43=77,097-21,43=55,667

Under these assumptions you can expect to make a net $55,7 per day.

ETA: I realize the initial info about ambulance make/model isnt actually used in the model, I first intended to make it much more complicated by including the speed of the lawyer's car and locations of nearby hospitals but it kinda started looking like a traveling salesman problem so I stopped before I broke my brain. Meant for entertainment purposes only.

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Re: Kansas Law admissions dean thread discussion thread

Postby deadpanic » Thu Dec 25, 2014 11:29 am

Birdnals wrote:
SBL wrote:Re his reply to Birdnals, holy shit what a tool. Email was obviously sports banter and he actually tried to blackball a kid's law school admission over it.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm just shocked it didn't work. You would think an email from one of the best schools in the midwest's dean of admissions would have kept me out of law school. Especially considering the grave threat I included in my original email.


Bet that guy was just a blast to be opposing counsel to when/if he was practicing. You just know he was THAT GUY every lawyer hates dealing with who files a 40-page motion and threatens sanctions and reporting you to the bar over trivial issues not important to the case simply out of spite.

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Re: Kansas Law admissions dean thread discussion thread

Postby AReasonableMan » Thu Dec 25, 2014 12:45 pm

deadpanic wrote:
Birdnals wrote:
SBL wrote:Re his reply to Birdnals, holy shit what a tool. Email was obviously sports banter and he actually tried to blackball a kid's law school admission over it.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm just shocked it didn't work. You would think an email from one of the best schools in the midwest's dean of admissions would have kept me out of law school. Especially considering the grave threat I included in my original email.


Bet that guy was just a blast to be opposing counsel to when/if he was practicing. You just know he was THAT GUY every lawyer hates dealing with who files a 40-page motion and threatens sanctions and reporting you to the bar over trivial issues not important to the case simply out of spite.

There probably isn't a correlation. People take pride in what they do, and may take personal offense to their firm/law school being attacked. Most people would probably let it go, but I'm sure most people would be offended. You have to consider what most admissions deans are giving up (more money, practicing law, etc.). Merry Christmas.

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Re: Kansas Law admissions dean thread discussion thread

Postby Hopefully2012 » Sun Dec 28, 2014 1:51 pm

AReasonableMan wrote:
lacrossebrother wrote:
jenesaislaw wrote:
lacrossebrother wrote:I already made this thread a little while ago about how people who go to law school and then work retail instead of doing law as a solo or somewhere else just don't actually wanna do law. I mean, you've taken three years of loans but then are afraid to take a little more to get experience or find clients? What a crock.


Are you aware of any loans that are as easy to get as federal student loans?

Ya small business loans for opening a law practice aren't hard to get

Don't you have to show like 3 years of business records to get a loan?

Yup. In my experience, SBA sponsored loans and community credit union loans (typically the easiest loans to get for a small business) require 2 years of revenues. I don't know why/where the other poster got the idea that small business loans are easy to get or just required a business plan.

I helped run a small startup manufacturing business with solid seed round investments from angels and VCs, business plan developed with the assistance of a major management consulting firm, a solid board, more than $1mm worth of tangible assets with no senior debt obligations and we still had to provide 2 years of revenues before most banks wanted to discuss debt funding. I can't imagine the standard for a solo law firm to be lower, but it's certainly possible. Interested in seeing what jenesaislaw finds out.

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Re: Kansas Law admissions dean thread discussion thread

Postby lacrossebrother » Sun Dec 28, 2014 3:50 pm

Nulli Secundus wrote:Don't say I never helped you guys.

Solo Lawyer Business Plan:

- Ambulance make/model in the area: Chevrolet 3500 DRW
- Average distance from which I could hear a siren: 1 mile
- Average speed of ambulance in city during an emergency: 50 mph

Image

- Chance that an ambulance heard is initially getting closer to office location (therefore being heard for more than a moment, making it most likely to draw attention): 22/28 =~ 78.57%
- Daily costs: $100
- Average traffic ticket paid during chase: $100
- Average maintenance for the bucket of bolts I call a car: $75
- Chance there is an actual negligence: %12.5
- Average trial win rate: 40%
- Average share of compensation: $7000

So, %78.57x(%12,5x40%x(5000-275)+%87.5x(-275))+%21.43x(-100)= 0,7857x(338.75-240,625)-21,43=77,097-21,43=55,667

Under these assumptions you can expect to make a net $55,7 per day.

ETA: I realize the initial info about ambulance make/model isnt actually used in the model, I first intended to make it much more complicated by including the speed of the lawyer's car and locations of nearby hospitals but it kinda started looking like a traveling salesman problem so I stopped before I broke my brain. Meant for entertainment purposes only.

Could we have a whole thread dedicated to how unfunny you are?




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