Character and Fitness!!!

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UOI4430
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Character and Fitness!!!

Postby UOI4430 » Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:53 pm

Hey everyone,

So, I got caught smoking weed on campus my freshman year and had to take the two-hour "self over substance" class. I don't have any idea if this is recorded anywhere or not. Should I list this under the character and fitness section of my applications? I want to be honest, but I don't want to bring it up if I don't need to.

Also, does a minor issue like this have any tangible impact on an application?

Thanks!

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Re: Character and Fitness!!!

Postby Avlyre » Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:09 pm

Call your school and ask whether there are any marks on your record, explain why you want to know so they actually look. Even if they say no, call the law schools you want to apply to (without giving your name) and tell them a simplified version of the situation. Ask whether it needs to be shared. From past experience (with academic problems, not weed), there's a good chance that they will tell you to err on the side of caution. Even if it's not on your school record, it may be somewhere else, and if it comes up later in your career, it could screw you over. It's better to look like a foolish kid, as opposed to a foolish kid who tried to lie to law schools. Chances are high that you will have to mention it, drugs are not generally something that a LAW school will ignore.

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Re: Character and Fitness!!!

Postby encore1101 » Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:41 pm

so long as its not indicative of a pattern of behavior (i.e. its your only one), i doubt law schools will care.

i'm sure half of the adcomms are baked just to get through the applicants

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Re: Character and Fitness!!!

Postby bluchai » Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:56 pm

encore1101 wrote:so long as its not indicative of a pattern of behavior (i.e. its your only one), i doubt law schools will care.

i'm sure half of the adcomms are baked just to get through the applicants


I laughed a little harder than I should reading this last sentence.

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Re: Character and Fitness!!!

Postby abasba32 » Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:36 pm

put it on...

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Re: Character and Fitness!!!

Postby pylon » Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:09 pm

Read the question prompt for each school because they vary, but I would put it on there. This is something that could hurt if it came up later and you didn't disclose.

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Re: Character and Fitness!!!

Postby cc78 » Thu Dec 11, 2014 1:46 am

In your shoes, I'd disclose. Smoking a little weed is definitely not an offense of moral turpitude and I'm sure that after your 2-hour class you've changed your ways........right? Anyway, I don't think schools will care. I suspect stuff like this is common.

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Re: Character and Fitness!!!

Postby KMart » Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:43 am

Disclosure is the safer option. It won't be a big deal. I read Spivey say somewhere in his mega-thread of admissions advice that a lot of applicants actually have C&F issues. As long as it's not a patterned behavior you're good.

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Re: Character and Fitness!!!

Postby SPerez » Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:23 pm

I feel pretty confident in saying that this absolutely, 100% needs to be disclosed on every single law school's application. Most C&F questions do not start out with "Is there a record that...". Whether or not it is in your file (which, BTW, it almost certainly is if you were required to attend a class) is irrelevant. I'm going to assume that you haven't read the C&F questions on the apps yet because once you do, it is pretty clear that something like this falls squarely in the range of required disclosures.

It's almost never the offense that gets people, it's not disclosing it. As long as this isn't one piece in a pattern of behavior, you don't have anything to worry about by disclosing.

Dean Perez
Texas Tech Law

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Re: Character and Fitness!!!

Postby UOI4430 » Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:39 pm

SPerez wrote:I feel pretty confident in saying that this absolutely, 100% needs to be disclosed on every single law school's application. Most C&F questions do not start out with "Is there a record that...". Whether or not it is in your file (which, BTW, it almost certainly is if you were required to attend a class) is irrelevant. I'm going to assume that you haven't read the C&F questions on the apps yet because once you do, it is pretty clear that something like this falls squarely in the range of required disclosures.

It's almost never the offense that gets people, it's not disclosing it. As long as this isn't one piece in a pattern of behavior, you don't have anything to worry about by disclosing.

Dean Perez
Texas Tech Law


Thank you for the advice. It is the only time I have been reprimanded as a student.

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Re: Character and Fitness!!!

Postby RCSOB657 » Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:42 pm

UOI4430 wrote:
SPerez wrote:I feel pretty confident in saying that this absolutely, 100% needs to be disclosed on every single law school's application. Most C&F questions do not start out with "Is there a record that...". Whether or not it is in your file (which, BTW, it almost certainly is if you were required to attend a class) is irrelevant. I'm going to assume that you haven't read the C&F questions on the apps yet because once you do, it is pretty clear that something like this falls squarely in the range of required disclosures.

It's almost never the offense that gets people, it's not disclosing it. As long as this isn't one piece in a pattern of behavior, you don't have anything to worry about by disclosing.

Dean Perez
Texas Tech Law


Thank you for the advice. It is the only time I have been reprimanded as a student.


Well then as long as you have nothing else criminal in your background you'll be fine. Good luck.

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Re: Character and Fitness!!!

Postby filibuster » Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:46 pm

Retake!!

In all seriousness, just disclose.

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Re: Character and Fitness!!!

Postby logdog » Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:04 pm

The dean of my law school told us during orientation that the "young and dumb" excuse is usually a pretty valid excuse for things like this that occurred before law school.




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