KU Admissions Dean="Great time to go to law school"

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KU Admissions Dean="Great time to go to law school"

Postby byronmullens » Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:10 am

The disconnect between academia and the real world is staggering.

http://www.thefacultylounge.org/2014/04 ... today.html
"Why 2017-2018 Will Be a Fantastic Time to Graduate from Law School"

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He argues with few people attending it will be easier to find a job. While that may be true its all relative, meaning its not necessarily a good idea to take 100k of debt just because your odds of a job are 60% rather than 50%. Curious to hear others thoughts about this.

What is also quite interesting is that Drexel Law Professor, then mocks the comments who talk about how the job outcomes will not pay debt. Is Professor Lisa McElroy right these people are wrong as there is so much transparency that everyone has all the information to make informed decisions?

If there was full disclosure as professor McElory states, how would one be swayed to attend Drexel Law?

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Re: KU Admissions Dean="Great time to go to law school"

Postby MisterGabriel » Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:23 am

byronmullens wrote:The disconnect between academia and the real world is staggering.

http://www.thefacultylounge.org/2014/04 ... today.html
"Why 2017-2018 Will Be a Fantastic Time to Graduate from Law School"

--LinkRemoved--

He argues with few people attending it will be easier to find a job. While that may be true its all relative, meaning its not necessarily a good idea to take 100k of debt just because your odds of a job are 60% rather than 50%. Curious to hear others thoughts about this.

What is also quite interesting is that Drexel Law Professor, then mocks the comments who talk about how the job outcomes will not pay debt. Is Professor Lisa McElroy right these people are wrong as there is so much transparency that everyone has all the information to make informed decisions?

If there was full disclosure as professor McElory states, how would one be swayed to attend Drexel Law?


What?

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Re: KU Admissions Dean="Great time to go to law school"

Postby byronmullens » Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:27 am

MisterGabriel wrote:
byronmullens wrote:The disconnect between academia and the real world is staggering.

http://www.thefacultylounge.org/2014/04 ... today.html
"Why 2017-2018 Will Be a Fantastic Time to Graduate from Law School"

--LinkRemoved--

He argues with few people attending it will be easier to find a job. While that may be true its all relative, meaning its not necessarily a good idea to take 100k of debt just because your odds of a job are 60% rather than 50%. Curious to hear others thoughts about this.

What is also quite interesting is that Drexel Law Professor, then mocks the comments who talk about how the job outcomes will not pay debt. Is Professor Lisa McElroy right these people are wrong as there is so much transparency that everyone has all the information to make informed decisions?

If there was full disclosure as professor McElory states, how would one be swayed to attend Drexel Law?


What?


Your question does not make sense. Are you agreeing that it's a great time to attend law school? Are you questioning the professors logic?
Here is Dexel Law Prof McElroy's Comment
I don't understand why it is deplorable. The students enrolling in law schools have the information about job placement, bar passage, etc. Presumably, they have decided that they will fall on the positive side of the statistics. They make the choice to accept the offer of admission. The law school makes a commitment to educate them to the best of its ability. If the law school is so terrible and lacks judgment in admitting students, why would a student then choose to go there? It's all in the student's control.

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Re: KU Admissions Dean="Great time to go to law school"

Postby banjo » Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:50 pm

Transparency shifts the blame but doesn't solve the problem.

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Re: KU Admissions Dean="Great time to go to law school"

Postby Tiago Splitter » Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:44 pm

byronmullens wrote:Here is Dexel Law Prof McElroy's Comment
I don't understand why it is deplorable. The students enrolling in law schools have the information about job placement, bar passage, etc. Presumably, they have decided that they will fall on the positive side of the statistics. They make the choice to accept the offer of admission. The law school makes a commitment to educate them to the best of its ability. If the law school is so terrible and lacks judgment in admitting students, why would a student then choose to go there? It's all in the student's control.

lol. "We realized that we could take advantage of cognitive dissonance and now operate the scam without even feeling bad."

Apparently the author is going to compare the number of grads to the number of projected jobs in 2017 and 2018 next week. I think we all know that his conclusion will be that around 2018 the number of grads will be roughly equal to the number of jobs. What this ignores is that many of those jobs are terrible and no better than what the employed could have achieved had he skipped law school and spent three years working towards a different career. And if he had done that, he wouldn't have 200k in debt.

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Re: KU Admissions Dean="Great time to go to law school"

Postby byronmullens » Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:12 pm

Noticed Campos posted about the fact that the comments were closed showing the true disconnect of the professors.

Here is a link to his post:

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/201 ... t-policies

The odd part is the comments are from actual real people, not just guys sitting in basements. I tend to think some of the professors of schools with horrible outcomes (see Drexel) are realizing the ride is about over.

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Re: KU Admissions Dean="Great time to go to law school"

Postby SEngland » Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:28 pm

byronmullens wrote:Noticed Campos posted about the fact that the comments were closed showing the true disconnect of the professors.

Here is a link to his post:

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/201 ... t-policies

The odd part is the comments are from actual real people, not just guys sitting in basements. I tend to think some of the professors of schools with horrible outcomes (see Drexel) are realizing the ride is about over.


bottom line. Profs are hungry and tuition dollars are the food.

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Re: KU Admissions Dean="Great time to go to law school"

Postby byronmullens » Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:19 pm

SEngland wrote:
byronmullens wrote:Noticed Campos posted about the fact that the comments were closed showing the true disconnect of the professors.

Here is a link to his post:

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/201 ... t-policies

The odd part is the comments are from actual real people, not just guys sitting in basements. I tend to think some of the professors of schools with horrible outcomes (see Drexel) are realizing the ride is about over.


bottom line. Profs are hungry and tuition dollars are the food.


Apparently Prof, McElroy couldn't hack it on game shows so she needs to feed off law students.

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Re: KU Admissions Dean="Great time to go to law school"

Postby jenesaislaw » Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:38 pm

banjo wrote:Transparency shifts the blame but doesn't solve the problem.


+1000000000 on that it doesn't solve the problem. It does make it easier to solve, though.

There's another concept besides transparency that matters that people usually couple with transparency without thinking about it. We can make things very transparent (as we have), but actual access to that information is another thing. So is actually understanding it. And then actually acting on it.




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