a statist president? what a ludicrous concept.FattyMcFatFat wrote:To me, liberal means statist. The term applies to most republicans and most democrats. I support neither. How would you define the term "liberal?"Mal Reynolds wrote:Obama isn't really all that liberal.
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God you're dense.
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did merkin remove a rib to spawn a new shitposter or something?
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I must admit that these substantive observations are insurmountable for someone like myself. Congrats, you've convinced me of the error of my ways.Mal Reynolds wrote:God you're dense.
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i dunno this horselover fat guy might be onto something.
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Mongolians bro…everyone knows that…pshhhpatogordo wrote:i dunno this horselover fat guy might be onto something.
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I am truly all ears. Really. What is incoherent?sublime wrote:patogordo wrote:did merkin remove a rib to spawn a new shitposter or something?
Merkin isn't near this bad. At least Merkin stays (mostly) coherent, no matter how misled he is.
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What do those questions have to do with this conversation? You said that "liberal" means statist and applies to most Democrats and Republicans. I'm saying people in this country don't generally associate the term "liberal" with "statist" and they don't generally associate it equally with both political parties. So it seems pretty disingenuous to quibble with the original reference based on an obscure definition of liberal. (There are lots of grounds for criticizing the idea that Jesus was a liberal, but that's not one of them.)FattyMcFatFat wrote:I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but do you think everyone in the United States is a democrat or a republican? Do you think that people who call themselves democrats or republicans subscribe wholeheartedly to the platforms of those two parties? Do you think they even know what those platforms consist of?A. Nony Mouse wrote:In the United States? Applying equally to Democrats and Republicans? That seems awfully disingenuous.FattyMcFatFat wrote:It seems a bit "dumb" for you to regard your definition of the term "liberal" as the "generally accepted usage," when I am very confident that millions of people would regard my definition as "generally accepted."
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Not really.A. Nony Mouse wrote: (There are lots of grounds for criticizing the idea that Jesus was a liberal, but that's not one of them.)
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Nope. It was Bush's fault.moralsentiments wrote:Mongolians bro…everyone knows that…pshhhpatogordo wrote:i dunno this horselover fat guy might be onto something.
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This was a perfectly good chance to troll that kids hardcore belief system and you guys squabble it away on politics! ?
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What exactly is your definition of "liberal?" I still haven't really heard anyone define this term, and you seem to take a view that is targeted at (or a product of) your typical "low-info" voter (so to speak).A. Nony Mouse wrote:What do those questions have to do with this conversation? You said that "liberal" means statist and applies to most Democrats and Republicans. I'm saying people in this country don't generally associate the term "liberal" with "statist" and they don't generally associate it equally with both political parties. So it seems pretty disingenuous to quibble with the original reference based on an obscure definition of liberal. (There are lots of grounds for criticizing the idea that Jesus was a liberal, but that's not one of them.)FattyMcFatFat wrote:I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but do you think everyone in the United States is a democrat or a republican? Do you think that people who call themselves democrats or republicans subscribe wholeheartedly to the platforms of those two parties? Do you think they even know what those platforms consist of?A. Nony Mouse wrote:In the United States? Applying equally to Democrats and Republicans? That seems awfully disingenuous.FattyMcFatFat wrote:It seems a bit "dumb" for you to regard your definition of the term "liberal" as the "generally accepted usage," when I am very confident that millions of people would regard my definition as "generally accepted."
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Jesus loves you.Clearly wrote:This was a perfectly good chance to troll that kids hardcore belief system and you guys squabble it away on politics! ?
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Sure there are. For one thing, it's completely ahistorical to apply a term describing contemporary American politics to someone who lived over 2000 years ago in a society that had no concept of representative democracy or personal freedoms in the way they're understood in contemporary American society. I agree with what you're getting at about Jesus' take on wealth, I'm just not convinced calling Jesus a liberal is the best way to get at that. (I'm not agreeing with OP here - I think it's pretty inconsistent to criticize other denominations for messing around with doctrine but then to take as the inerrant word of God the King James version of the Bible, which was a translation created by a Protestant, and someone just as human as people shaping all the other Protestant denominations that apparently got it wrong.)Mal Reynolds wrote:Not really.A. Nony Mouse wrote: (There are lots of grounds for criticizing the idea that Jesus was a liberal, but that's not one of them.)
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"Some American liberals, who call themselves classical liberals, neoliberals, or libertarians, support fundamental liberal ideals but disagree with modern liberal thought, holding that economic freedom is more important than equality and that providing for the general welfare exceeds the legitimate role of government."sublime wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism ... ted_StatesFattyMcFatFat wrote:
What exactly is your definition of "liberal?" I still haven't really heard anyone define this term, and you seem to take a view that is targeted at (or a product of) your typical "low-info" voter (so to speak).
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Although I might put it in different words, this seems to be our general point of contention.
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I'm talking about the popular definition of liberal, the word that Tea Partiers use as an insult/boogeyman. Pro-social freedoms (abortion, gay rights, feminism, probably immigration reform), pro-civil rights, pro-social welfare programs for the poor (and hence government spending/"big" government), pro-taxes, all that good stuff. I'm not offering any complicated political analysis here, I'm just talking about the word as it gets used on the nightly news. That's how I understood Mal to use it, though he'd have to confirm that.FattyMcFatFat wrote:What exactly is your definition of "liberal?" I still haven't really heard anyone define this term, and you seem to take a view that is targeted at (or a product of) your typical "low-info" voter (so to speak).
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explain.FattyMcFatFat wrote:Nope. It was Bush's fault.moralsentiments wrote:Mongolians bro…everyone knows that…pshhhpatogordo wrote:i dunno this horselover fat guy might be onto something.
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lolFattyMcFatFat wrote:
Although I might put it in different words, this seems to be our general point of contention.
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Bush is Mongolian..duhpatogordo wrote:explain.FattyMcFatFat wrote:Nope. It was Bush's fault.moralsentiments wrote:Mongolians bro…everyone knows that…pshhhpatogordo wrote:i dunno this horselover fat guy might be onto something.
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pointless south park references might be the only thing dumber than fatty fat sacks in this thread so why don't you just let the adults take it from here
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