arrest addendum - 4 arrests.

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arrest addendum - 4 arrests.

Postby SSP438 » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:53 pm

Alright, guys, i was just taking a look at a couple of law school applications and inevitably came across the Character and Fitness question. So, as you can guess from the topic in the subject, I've been arrested 4 times throughout my life, although never actually being convicted of a crime.

All the dates are approx. (still trying to get certificate of dispositions for all the accurate dates)

2000- I was caught shoplifting from a department store in New York. I was arrested and charged with petty larceny. I received an ACD under the condition that i stay out of trouble for 6 months. Case resulted in a dismissal and was sealed.

2005- was arrested for possession of marijuana and received an ACD under the condition that i stay out of trouble for 6 months. Case resulted in a dismissal and was sealed.

06-07- was caught jumping the turnstile and was arrested. I was not finger printed this time, received a Desk Appearance Ticket, that, however, also resulted in an ACD and was sealed.

and lastly, the mother of them all, in 2012, i received a DUI which was reduced to a traffic violation (VTL). I fulfilled all the court requirements and paid all the fines. The case is sealed.

As mortifying as that was the read, it was even more mortifying to put down in print for the first time. From 06/07-2012 i really made big strides from a maturity standpoint. I went back to school and finished in 4.5 years all while working full time. Alas, I graduated a couple months prior to the DUI.

My question to you guys is: how should i go about putting all this in an addendum? I've seen a couple of addenda that look like personal statements and i've seen some that list things like bullet points. Also, how badly do you guys think my chances of being accepted somewhere are?

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Re: arrest addendum - 4 arrests.

Postby Dingo Starr » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:57 pm

What are your numbers?
You'll be accepted somewhere.

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Re: arrest addendum - 4 arrests.

Postby SSP438 » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:01 pm

GPA: 3.1

waiting on my LSAT score

I was really hoping to get into a top 100 school but i'm not sure how realistic that is.

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Re: arrest addendum - 4 arrests.

Postby ScottRiqui » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:07 pm

Talk to a C&F lawyer - it looks like New York might not consider an arrest that ended with a successfully-completed ACD to be an "arrest" at all.

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Re: arrest addendum - 4 arrests.

Postby SSP438 » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:44 pm

"Have you ever been cited for, charged with, taken into custody for, arrested for, indicted, tried for, pled guilty to, or convicted of, the violation of any law (other than a minor traffic violation) or been the subject of a juvenile delinquent or youthful offender proceeding or received a conditional discharge, adjournment in contemplation or dismissal, or pretrial diversionary program? (NOTE: Driving while intoxicated or impaired, driving without insurance, reckless driving, leaving the scene of an accident, and driving while suspended are not considered minor traffic violations for the purposes of this section). The entry of an expungement or sealing order does not relieve you of the duty to disclose the matter on this statement. You may indicate the existence of such an order in your explanation.
According to the application question below, regardless if it's technically considered an arrest, the fact that i was taken into custody at all"

according to this question from an application, it looks like being taken into custody alone merits listing all my arrests.

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Re: arrest addendum - 4 arrests.

Postby ScottRiqui » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:55 pm

SSP438 wrote:"Have you ever been cited for, charged with, taken into custody for, arrested for, indicted, tried for, pled guilty to, or convicted of, the violation of any law (other than a minor traffic violation) or been the subject of a juvenile delinquent or youthful offender proceeding or received a conditional discharge, adjournment in contemplation or dismissal, or pretrial diversionary program? (NOTE: Driving while intoxicated or impaired, driving without insurance, reckless driving, leaving the scene of an accident, and driving while suspended are not considered minor traffic violations for the purposes of this section). The entry of an expungement or sealing order does not relieve you of the duty to disclose the matter on this statement. You may indicate the existence of such an order in your explanation.
According to the application question below, regardless if it's technically considered an arrest, the fact that i was taken into custody at all"

according to this question from an application, it looks like being taken into custody alone merits listing all my arrests.


Yep, that's why I suggested a C&F lawyer. Depending on which school that's from, there's a chance they're asking questions that they're not technically supposed to ask. But again, either decide right now to disclose everything, or talk to a lawyer.

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Re: arrest addendum - 4 arrests.

Postby John Everyman » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:56 pm

SSP438 wrote:"Have you ever been cited for, charged with, taken into custody for, arrested for, indicted, tried for, pled guilty to, or convicted of, the violation of any law (other than a minor traffic violation) or been the subject of a juvenile delinquent or youthful offender proceeding or received a conditional discharge, adjournment in contemplation or dismissal, or pretrial diversionary program? (NOTE: Driving while intoxicated or impaired, driving without insurance, reckless driving, leaving the scene of an accident, and driving while suspended are not considered minor traffic violations for the purposes of this section). The entry of an expungement or sealing order does not relieve you of the duty to disclose the matter on this statement. You may indicate the existence of such an order in your explanation.
According to the application question below, regardless if it's technically considered an arrest, the fact that i was taken into custody at all"

according to this question from an application, it looks like being taken into custody alone merits listing all my arrests.


Every app has different requirements. Many ask for much less. But yes, in that case, you would want to disclose.

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Re: arrest addendum - 4 arrests.

Postby John Everyman » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:59 pm

SSP438 wrote:"Have you ever been cited for, charged with, taken into custody for, arrested for, indicted, tried for, pled guilty to, or convicted of, the violation of any law (other than a minor traffic violation) or been the subject of a juvenile delinquent or youthful offender proceeding or received a conditional discharge, adjournment in contemplation or dismissal, or pretrial diversionary program? (NOTE: Driving while intoxicated or impaired, driving without insurance, reckless driving, leaving the scene of an accident, and driving while suspended are not considered minor traffic violations for the purposes of this section). The entry of an expungement or sealing order does not relieve you of the duty to disclose the matter on this statement. You may indicate the existence of such an order in your explanation.
According to the application question below, regardless if it's technically considered an arrest, the fact that i was taken into custody at all"

according to this question from an application, it looks like being taken into custody alone merits listing all my arrests.


Take a look at the one from Boston College

5. Have you ever been convicted of a felony and that conviction has not been vacated?

6. If your answer is Yes, please provide a detailed statement addressing the situation/circumstances.

7. Have you been convicted of any misdemeanor (other than a first conviction of any of these misdemeanors: drunkenness, simple
assault, speeding, minor traffic violations, affray, or disturbance of the peace) that resulted in your being sentenced to
imprisonment?

8. If your answer is Yes, please provide a detailed statement addressing the situation/circumstances.

9. Have you been convicted within the last five years of a misdemeanor (other than a first conviction of any of these misdemeanors:
drunkenness, simple assault, speeding, minor traffic violations, affray, or disturbance of the peace) and that conviction has not been
vacated?

You would barely need to disclose.

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Re: arrest addendum - 4 arrests.

Postby Clearly » Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:01 pm

John Everyman wrote:
SSP438 wrote:"Have you ever been cited for, charged with, taken into custody for, arrested for, indicted, tried for, pled guilty to, or convicted of, the violation of any law (other than a minor traffic violation) or been the subject of a juvenile delinquent or youthful offender proceeding or received a conditional discharge, adjournment in contemplation or dismissal, or pretrial diversionary program? (NOTE: Driving while intoxicated or impaired, driving without insurance, reckless driving, leaving the scene of an accident, and driving while suspended are not considered minor traffic violations for the purposes of this section). The entry of an expungement or sealing order does not relieve you of the duty to disclose the matter on this statement. You may indicate the existence of such an order in your explanation.
According to the application question below, regardless if it's technically considered an arrest, the fact that i was taken into custody at all"

according to this question from an application, it looks like being taken into custody alone merits listing all my arrests.


Take a look at the one from Boston College

5. Have you ever been convicted of a felony and that conviction has not been vacated?

6. If your answer is Yes, please provide a detailed statement addressing the situation/circumstances.

7. Have you been convicted of any misdemeanor (other than a first conviction of any of these misdemeanors: drunkenness, simple
assault, speeding, minor traffic violations, affray, or disturbance of the peace) that resulted in your being sentenced to
imprisonment?

8. If your answer is Yes, please provide a detailed statement addressing the situation/circumstances.

9. Have you been convicted within the last five years of a misdemeanor (other than a first conviction of any of these misdemeanors:
drunkenness, simple assault, speeding, minor traffic violations, affray, or disturbance of the peace) and that conviction has not been
vacated?

You would barely need to disclose.

It's a Massachusetts state law thing. Same goes for Harvard. Very loose disclosure questions.

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Re: arrest addendum - 4 arrests.

Postby SSP438 » Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:06 pm

John Everyman wrote:
SSP438 wrote:"Have you ever been cited for, charged with, taken into custody for, arrested for, indicted, tried for, pled guilty to, or convicted of, the violation of any law (other than a minor traffic violation) or been the subject of a juvenile delinquent or youthful offender proceeding or received a conditional discharge, adjournment in contemplation or dismissal, or pretrial diversionary program? (NOTE: Driving while intoxicated or impaired, driving without insurance, reckless driving, leaving the scene of an accident, and driving while suspended are not considered minor traffic violations for the purposes of this section). The entry of an expungement or sealing order does not relieve you of the duty to disclose the matter on this statement. You may indicate the existence of such an order in your explanation.
According to the application question below, regardless if it's technically considered an arrest, the fact that i was taken into custody at all"

according to this question from an application, it looks like being taken into custody alone merits listing all my arrests.


Take a look at the one from Boston College

5. Have you ever been convicted of a felony and that conviction has not been vacated?

6. If your answer is Yes, please provide a detailed statement addressing the situation/circumstances.

7. Have you been convicted of any misdemeanor (other than a first conviction of any of these misdemeanors: drunkenness, simple
assault, speeding, minor traffic violations, affray, or disturbance of the peace) that resulted in your being sentenced to
imprisonment?

8. If your answer is Yes, please provide a detailed statement addressing the situation/circumstances.

9. Have you been convicted within the last five years of a misdemeanor (other than a first conviction of any of these misdemeanors:
drunkenness, simple assault, speeding, minor traffic violations, affray, or disturbance of the peace) and that conviction has not been
vacated?

You would barely need to disclose.


Even as loose as that is, don't you think the school would want to know about the DUI? I just don't want it come back to haunt me when i'm going because the bar.

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Re: arrest addendum - 4 arrests.

Postby John Everyman » Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:12 pm

SSP438 wrote:
John Everyman wrote:
SSP438 wrote:"Have you ever been cited for, charged with, taken into custody for, arrested for, indicted, tried for, pled guilty to, or convicted of, the violation of any law (other than a minor traffic violation) or been the subject of a juvenile delinquent or youthful offender proceeding or received a conditional discharge, adjournment in contemplation or dismissal, or pretrial diversionary program? (NOTE: Driving while intoxicated or impaired, driving without insurance, reckless driving, leaving the scene of an accident, and driving while suspended are not considered minor traffic violations for the purposes of this section). The entry of an expungement or sealing order does not relieve you of the duty to disclose the matter on this statement. You may indicate the existence of such an order in your explanation.
According to the application question below, regardless if it's technically considered an arrest, the fact that i was taken into custody at all"

according to this question from an application, it looks like being taken into custody alone merits listing all my arrests.


Take a look at the one from Boston College

5. Have you ever been convicted of a felony and that conviction has not been vacated?

6. If your answer is Yes, please provide a detailed statement addressing the situation/circumstances.

7. Have you been convicted of any misdemeanor (other than a first conviction of any of these misdemeanors: drunkenness, simple
assault, speeding, minor traffic violations, affray, or disturbance of the peace) that resulted in your being sentenced to
imprisonment?

8. If your answer is Yes, please provide a detailed statement addressing the situation/circumstances.

9. Have you been convicted within the last five years of a misdemeanor (other than a first conviction of any of these misdemeanors:
drunkenness, simple assault, speeding, minor traffic violations, affray, or disturbance of the peace) and that conviction has not been
vacated?

You would barely need to disclose.


Even as loose as that is, don't you think the school would want to know about the DUI? I just don't want it come back to haunt me when i'm going because the bar.


I'm not a C&F attorney, or an attorney at all for that matter, all I can recommend is you follow the directions as exactly as you can. Was the DUI a felony? Were you imprisoned? Your DUI was reduced to a traffic violation, and was then sealed. Pretty sure to have a record sealed it has to also be vacated, though I could be wrong, maybe call an attorney and ask for clarity on #9, but you might just be golden.

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Re: arrest addendum - 4 arrests.

Postby TigerDude » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:15 am

You may need guidance in multiple states if the requirements change by state.




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