KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

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What schools have you gotten in to?

Stanford
22
4%
Harvard
38
7%
Chicago
35
7%
Columbia
42
8%
NYU
68
13%
UVA/Penn
57
11%
Berkeley/Michigan
67
13%
Duke
85
16%
Cornell
39
7%
Georgetown
71
14%
 
Total votes: 524

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Re: KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

Postby 052220151 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:08 pm

cee cee wrote:
In general, it makes perfect sense to want real adults for your lawl school.


This is probably the best answer as to why non-trads may see a slight bump. This plus no UG soft short of a Olympic medal or Heisman is as impressive as substantive WE

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Re: KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

Postby cee cee » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:09 pm

deputydog wrote:
cee cee wrote:
In general, it makes perfect sense to want real adults for your lawl school.


This is probably the best answer as to why non-trads may see a slight bump. This plus no UG soft short of a Olympic medal or Heisman is as impressive as substantive WE

HI

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Re: KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

Postby 052220151 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:10 pm

cee cee wrote:
deputydog wrote:
cee cee wrote:
In general, it makes perfect sense to want real adults for your lawl school.


This is probably the best answer as to why non-trads may see a slight bump. This plus no UG soft short of a Olympic medal or Heisman is as impressive as substantive WE

HI


Sup dude? Long time no see

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Re: KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

Postby drawstring » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:30 pm

So, do you guys think someone who graduates May and applies in September would be treated as a K-JD?

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Re: KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

Postby Kimikho » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:34 pm

drawstring wrote:So, do you guys think someone who graduates May and applies in September would be treated as a K-JD?


Yes, most certainly.

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Re: KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

Postby buffalo_ » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:34 pm

deputydog wrote:
cee cee wrote:
In general, it makes perfect sense to want real adults for your lawl school.


This is probably the best answer as to why non-trads may see a slight bump. This plus no UG soft short of a Olympic medal or Heisman is as impressive as substantive WE


You really think they would care if you won the Heisman?

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Re: KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

Postby sd26 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:35 pm

Yeah I really have no idea if my softs are average or shit.
-I have a bunch of leadership stuff around campus, with a lot of community service oriented stuff
-grad student government rep
-lead students to other countries to do community service
-simultaneous BA/MA
-Study abroad for 2 semesters and a summer

But at the same time
-Absolutely no WE or even internships, just the stuff above
-K-jd

I've got good scores though, so hopefully that can help a lot.

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Re: KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

Postby drawstring » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:37 pm

scoobers wrote:
drawstring wrote:So, do you guys think someone who graduates May and applies in September would be treated as a K-JD?


Yes, most certainly.


ughghgh

I don't want to be a 2-time KJD applicant if this cycle doesn't work out (HYS or bust). Maybe they'll value perseverance :D

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Re: KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

Postby Brettanomyces » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:40 pm

drawstring wrote:
scoobers wrote:
drawstring wrote:So, do you guys think someone who graduates May and applies in September would be treated as a K-JD?


Yes, most certainly.


ughghgh

I don't want to be a 2-time KJD applicant if this cycle doesn't work out (HYS or bust). Maybe they'll value perseverance :D



Didn't I see you in the Columbia applicants thread?

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Re: KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

Postby drawstring » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:42 pm

*HYS or bust barring scholarship offers that I almost certainly won't get

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Re: KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

Postby 052220151 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:43 pm

buffalo_ wrote:
deputydog wrote:
cee cee wrote:
In general, it makes perfect sense to want real adults for your lawl school.


This is probably the best answer as to why non-trads may see a slight bump. This plus no UG soft short of a Olympic medal or Heisman is as impressive as substantive WE


You really think they would care if you won the Heisman?


More so than 99.99999999% of internships. If they get a Heisman winner they can put that as a bullet point on their class profile.

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Re: KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

Postby bound » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:45 pm

deputydog wrote:
buffalo_ wrote:
deputydog wrote:
cee cee wrote:
In general, it makes perfect sense to want real adults for your lawl school.


This is probably the best answer as to why non-trads may see a slight bump. This plus no UG soft short of a Olympic medal or Heisman is as impressive as substantive WE


You really think they would care if you won the Heisman?


More so than 99.99999999% of internships. If they get a Heisman winner they can put that as a bullet point on their class profile.



Haha makes my college athletic experience look like intremurals if I was compared to a heisman winner.

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Re: KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

Postby Kimikho » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:48 pm

deputydog wrote:
buffalo_ wrote:
deputydog wrote:
cee cee wrote:
In general, it makes perfect sense to want real adults for your lawl school.


This is probably the best answer as to why non-trads may see a slight bump. This plus no UG soft short of a Olympic medal or Heisman is as impressive as substantive WE


You really think they would care if you won the Heisman?


More so than 99.99999999% of internships. If they get a Heisman winner they can put that as a bullet point on their class profile.


I mean, WE can be substantive. But I think it seriously just comes down to the quality of the softs, and nearly always, WE is of higher quality.

But there are plenty of internships that are essentially WE, and there is plenty of substantial WE that pales in comparison to undergrad experiences. And schools can put whatever they want on class profiles, whether that is "President of a Student Government Organization" or "Manager at Starbucks" or "CEO of a Fortune 500 Company." Schools don't want to be full of one type of person, and each of those people offer strengths. The only difference is that, odds are, the CEO at a Fortune 500 Company isn't also a Manager at Starbucks, but she could have also been the pres of student gov.

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Re: KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

Postby 052220151 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:50 pm

Austinbound wrote:

Haha makes my college athletic experience look like intremurals if I was compared to a heisman winner.


Not to diminish your achievement as a college athlete (way to go dude!) but yes, next to a heisman, your athletics don't look impressive. Just like next to you my intramural call of duty experience looks shitty. Softs are relative. There is only one Heisman a year but tens of thousands of D1 athletes.

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Re: KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

Postby bound » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:52 pm

deputydog wrote:
Austinbound wrote:

Haha makes my college athletic experience look like intremurals if I was compared to a heisman winner.


Not to diminish your achievement as a college athlete (way to go dude!) but yes, next to a heisman, your athletics don't look impressive. Just like next to you my intramural call of duty experience looks shitty. Softs are relative. There is only one Heisman a year but tens of thousands of D1 athletes.



Haha no offense taken. I admire those athletes. Unfortunately there is no equivalent award for a female athlete. (Yes, there are awards for exceptional female athletes, but nothing that is as widely recognized or acclaimed as the Heisman, obvs.)

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Re: KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

Postby 052220151 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:56 pm

Austinbound wrote:
deputydog wrote:
Austinbound wrote:

Haha makes my college athletic experience look like intremurals if I was compared to a heisman winner.


Not to diminish your achievement as a college athlete (way to go dude!) but yes, next to a heisman, your athletics don't look impressive. Just like next to you my intramural call of duty experience looks shitty. Softs are relative. There is only one Heisman a year but tens of thousands of D1 athletes.



Haha no offense taken. I admire those athletes. Unfortunately there is no equivalent award for a female athlete. (Yes, there are awards for exceptional female athletes, but nothing that is as widely recognized or acclaimed as the Heisman, obvs.)


Yep, it kinda sucks huh? Luckily, of those tens of thousands of d1 athletes, only a fraction are applying to LS and only a fraction of that fraction are able to get into the schools you can. Being a d1 athlete is probably a stronger soft for the elite law schools than is an impressive internship or student gov (sorry scoobz) just due to the fact that such internships and student involvement are probably super common amongst the applicants to such schools.

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Re: KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

Postby Kimikho » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:01 pm

deputydog wrote:
Yep, it kinda sucks huh? Luckily, of those tens of thousands of d1 athletes, only a fraction are applying to LS and only a fraction of that fraction are able to get into the schools you can. Being a d1 athlete is probably a stronger soft for the elite law schools than is an impressive internship or student gov (sorry scoobz) just due to the fact that such internships and student involvement are probably super common amongst the applicants to such schools.


haha I'm aware.

Also, this was more prevelant when apply to UG, but at some point, softs stop being necessary and start just proving what you did with your time. Like, if you did nothing in UG, you should have a 4.0--school doesn't take up that much time. In that case almost, "average" doesn't mean much. I kind of take "average" to mean "I did stuff outside of school, I worked after I graduated." Where "below average" is "I had way more free time than acceptable" and "above average" "what I did took much more time than most activities and than what most people did during UG." Maybe throw in prestige, too, if you want, but for the most part, I find it hard to believe one prestigious internship for five hours a week would outweigh a less prestigious internship for fifteen (on it's face--the prestigious one could obviously be correlated with other things).

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Re: KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

Postby Ron Mexico » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:06 pm

Why are you trying to make student gov sound important? No one shit about student gov, not even other students.

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Re: KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

Postby 052220151 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:07 pm

scoobers wrote:
deputydog wrote:
Yep, it kinda sucks huh? Luckily, of those tens of thousands of d1 athletes, only a fraction are applying to LS and only a fraction of that fraction are able to get into the schools you can. Being a d1 athlete is probably a stronger soft for the elite law schools than is an impressive internship or student gov (sorry scoobz) just due to the fact that such internships and student involvement are probably super common amongst the applicants to such schools.


haha I'm aware.

Also, this was more prevelant when apply to UG, but at some point, softs stop being necessary and start just proving what you did with your time. Like, if you did nothing in UG, you should have a 4.0--school doesn't take up that much time. In that case almost, "average" doesn't mean much. I kind of take "average" to mean "I did stuff outside of school, I worked after I graduated." Where "below average" is "I had way more free time than acceptable" and "above average" "what I did took much more time than most activities and than what most people did during UG." Maybe throw in prestige, too, if you want, but for the most part, I find it hard to believe one prestigious internship for five hours a week would outweigh a less prestigious internship for fifteen (on it's face--the prestigious one could obviously be correlated with other things).


Sure. It's not like most if this matters. I doubt a lack of softs is a deal breaker if you have the numbers and I bet that 1% of people or so have softs that substantively change their cycle

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Re: KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

Postby redbull12 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:07 pm

Ron Mexico wrote:Why are you trying to make student gov sound important? No one shit about student gov, not even other students.


LOL.

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Re: KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

Postby admiringatticus » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:11 pm

Sorry if this is a stupid question but are people who do a master's between undergrad and law school still considered KJD?

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Postby Cal Trask » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:12 pm

admiringatticus wrote:Sorry if this is a stupid question but are people who do a master's between undergrad and law school still considered KJD?


Pretty much, I think. It's a step up, but the main point is that you haven't had a break from academia.

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Re: KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

Postby lakers180 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:14 pm

i would say no to master's being k-jd

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Re: KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

Postby Kimikho » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:14 pm

Ron Mexico wrote:Why are you trying to make student gov sound important? No one shit about student gov, not even other students.


:?:

Is that directed at me? Obviously I'm going to disagree about whether it is important, but I don't think student gov is a very strong soft. I'm just using it for examples because it's the first one to pop in my mind and very common.

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Re: KJD and/or Weak Softs Thread

Postby Brettanomyces » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:16 pm

admiringatticus wrote:Sorry if this is a stupid question but are people who do a master's between undergrad and law school still considered KJD?


Not a stupid question at all. I don't think everyone would I agree, but I'd say no. Completing a master's has to be a better soft than what most of us in this thread have done. It doesn't seem to affect cycles all that much, but I doubt adcoms see applicants with a masters like they do K-UG-JDs.




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