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cron1834
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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby cron1834 » Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:49 pm

Captainunaccountable wrote:
cron1834 wrote:Yeah, no worries. Like I said, that person clearly doesn't seem to know what it means to control for a variable at all, let alone the limits of such things!


Yeah, I had no idea what it meant to control for a variable, thank you so much rambozo for explaining that to me. The criteria that I stated were not controls in the study.

As to "the person clearly didn't understand what was being claimed here"

How would you know whether or not I know what is being claimed? The claim is obvious as it's the center of our current discussion. Quit it with the hyperbole and false arrogance.


Your first statement and the "can't compare groups with similar grades" statement suggest you have no clue what multivariate analysis involves. Just stop before you make yourself look worse.

I'll leave it alone as well.

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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby mist4bison » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:06 pm

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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby Captainunaccountable » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:17 pm

cron1834 wrote:
Captainunaccountable wrote:
cron1834 wrote:Yeah, no worries. Like I said, that person clearly doesn't seem to know what it means to control for a variable at all, let alone the limits of such things!


Yeah, I had no idea what it meant to control for a variable, thank you so much rambozo for explaining that to me. The criteria that I stated were not controls in the study.

As to "the person clearly didn't understand what was being claimed here"

How would you know whether or not I know what is being claimed? The claim is obvious as it's the center of our current discussion. Quit it with the hyperbole and false arrogance.


Your first statement and the "can't compare groups with similar grades" statement suggest you have no clue what multivariate analysis involves. Just stop before you make yourself look worse.

I'll leave it alone as well.


They didn't suggest that at all. My statements were not taking into account the variables used in the study. I stated that the methodology of the study was unfounded because it in fact did not take into account necessary variables that would factor into the equation. It only took into account such things as socioeconomic background and race. In no way is that me suggesting I have no clue what multivariate analysis is. Keep continuing though, you're bound to be right eventually if you just keep saying it.

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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby midwest17 » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:25 pm

Captainunaccountable wrote:?

How on earth can you tell how worse or better someone could have or could not have done based on not being a fraternity? That's like saying.. "Joe would have made a great doctor had he chosen to goto medical school instead of law school.."

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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby cron1834 » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:29 pm

:lol:

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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby t-14orbust » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:32 pm

mist4bison wrote:This whole thread...so not frat.


TFTC

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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby Captainunaccountable » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:38 pm

midwest17 wrote:
Captainunaccountable wrote:?

How on earth can you tell how worse or better someone could have or could not have done based on not being a fraternity? That's like saying.. "Joe would have made a great doctor had he chosen to goto medical school instead of law school.."


Yeah, that was before I read the article..
That actually corroborates well with what I just said anyway.
Keep going though.

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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby midwest17 » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:03 pm

Captainunaccountable wrote:
midwest17 wrote:
Captainunaccountable wrote:?

How on earth can you tell how worse or better someone could have or could not have done based on not being a fraternity? That's like saying.. "Joe would have made a great doctor had he chosen to goto medical school instead of law school.."


Yeah, that was before I read the article..
That actually corroborates well with what I just said anyway.
Keep going though.


So just to confirm, your defense is that you respond to things without reading them? Great quality in a future lawyer. :)

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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby Captainunaccountable » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:05 pm

midwest17 wrote: TL;DR fraternities/sororities tend to recruit people who did better academically in high school (this is probably linked to racial and socioeconomic trends in recruitment) and then lead them to do worse than they would otherwise have done.


No, I was just responding to this bold, erroneous claim with a better, more reasonable claim.

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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby midwest17 » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:09 pm

Captainunaccountable wrote:
midwest17 wrote: TL;DR fraternities/sororities tend to recruit people who did better academically in high school (this is probably linked to racial and socioeconomic trends in recruitment) and then lead them to do worse than they would otherwise have done.


No, I was just responding to this bold, erroneous claim with a better, more reasonable claim.


hth

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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby Captainunaccountable » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:11 pm

midwest17 wrote:
Captainunaccountable wrote:
midwest17 wrote: TL;DR fraternities/sororities tend to recruit people who did better academically in high school (this is probably linked to racial and socioeconomic trends in recruitment) and then lead them to do worse than they would otherwise have done.


No, I was just responding to this bold, erroneous claim with a better, more reasonable claim.


hth


Yes and your support was one study that didn't control it's variables too well in the first place.

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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby midwest17 » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:20 pm

Captainunaccountable wrote:Yes and your support was one study that didn't control it's variables too well in the first place.


At which point you responded with apparent lack of understanding about how it was possible to make that sort of claim at all, and not just an assertion that the study didn't adequately support the claim?

Sorry, not buying it.

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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby Captainunaccountable » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:55 pm

midwest17 wrote:
Captainunaccountable wrote:Yes and your support was one study that didn't control it's variables too well in the first place.


At which point you responded with apparent lack of understanding about how it was possible to make that sort of claim at all, and not just an assertion that the study didn't adequately support the claim?

Sorry, not buying it.


I responded initially to the claim you made regarding the study that I hadn't yet read (which is pretty obvious if you read it). Then, upon being informed about certain variables composed within the study, and then subsequently looking at it for myself, I supposed how it didn't consider necessary variables. You are going to get this eventually.

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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby lawschool22 » Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:57 pm

This is still going on? :lol:

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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby nothingtosee » Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:18 am

This thread sucks

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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby Captainunaccountable » Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:19 am

nothingtosee wrote:This thread sucks

+1

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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby nothingtosee » Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:28 am

Captainunaccountable wrote:
nothingtosee wrote:This thread sucks

+1


Ur the problem

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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby Captainunaccountable » Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:41 am

nothingtosee wrote:
Captainunaccountable wrote:
nothingtosee wrote:This thread sucks

+1


Ur the problem


Nope.

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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby Nonconsecutive » Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:57 am

lawschool22 wrote:This is still going on? :lol:

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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby littlegiant » Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:57 pm

I applied with an Executive position on my resume and application
My PS was about an experience while serving in that Executive position
I was sent a personal note from the Dean in my acceptance mailing from a top-25 school that it was my fraternity involvement that was so impressive
I have outperformed my numbers

Just sayin

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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby rad lulz » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:30 pm

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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby Ramius » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:37 pm

littlegiant wrote:I applied with an Executive position on my resume and application
My PS was about an experience while serving in that Executive position
I was sent a personal note from the Dean in my acceptance mailing from a top-25 school that it was my fraternity involvement that was so impressive
I have outperformed my numbers

Just sayin


That made you feel special, didn't it?

I think they accomplished what they were going for.

Also, "outperforming" is all relative in this climate. Unless you were <25th in both uGPA and LSAT, I doubt you "outperformed" like you think you did.

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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby ManoftheHour » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:53 pm

Captainunaccountable wrote:
nothingtosee wrote:This thread sucks

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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby Mal Reynolds » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:00 pm

littlegiant wrote:I applied with an Executive position on my resume and application
My PS was about an experience while serving in that Executive position
I was sent a personal note from the Dean in my acceptance mailing from a top-25 school that it was my fraternity involvement that was so impressive
I have outperformed my numbers

Just sayin


You haven't outperformed anything. Schools are that desperate.

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Re: Fraternities/sororities

Postby stillwater » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:51 pm

Mal Reynolds wrote:
littlegiant wrote:I applied with an Executive position on my resume and application
My PS was about an experience while serving in that Executive position
I was sent a personal note from the Dean in my acceptance mailing from a top-25 school that it was my fraternity involvement that was so impressive
I have outperformed my numbers

Just sayin


You haven't outperformed anything. Schools are that desperate.




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