Updated applicants/applications numbers

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Updated applicants/applications numbers

Postby altoid99 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:50 am

"As of 1/03/14, there are 131,097 Fall 2014 applications submitted by 19,529 applicants. Applicants are down 13.6% and applications are down 15.8% from 2013."

http://lsac.org/lsacresources/data/three-year-volume

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Re: Updated applicants/applications numbers

Postby FXD » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:53 am

Wow, the numbers just keep dropping... Just a question of how low will they go before we hit bottom.

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Re: Updated applicants/applications numbers

Postby jttoplawschools93 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:54 am

hmm interesting any guesses on which t14 medians will drop as a result of this

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Re: Updated applicants/applications numbers

Postby phillywc » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:55 am

Wow... truly striking numbers. Law schools are going to have to accept this is the new reality at some point...

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Re: Updated applicants/applications numbers

Postby milkandcheerios » Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:06 am

Wow. And people still keep saying that things will flatten out next year. I can't really see that happening.

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Re: Updated applicants/applications numbers

Postby BLUERUFiO » Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:42 am

I hope it brings me some green, green, scholly money.

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Re: Updated applicants/applications numbers

Postby FXD » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:50 am

So if the number of people applying to law school keep dropping, wouldn't you expect to hear about some mass layoffs of law profs in the news? Well whatever happens, the law schools had this coming. It was long overdue to correct the imbalance in the legal market.

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Re: Updated applicants/applications numbers

Postby BillsFan9907 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:21 am

FXD wrote:So if the number of people applying to law school keep dropping, wouldn't you expect to hear about some mass layoffs of law profs in the news? Well whatever happens, the law schools had this coming. It was long overdue to correct the imbalance in the legal market.


This was touched on over at Inside the Law School Scam:

"(5) Although schools are going to extraordinary measures to disguise the fact, faculty layoffs have taken place at several places, in the form of offer you can't refuse "buyouts." Staff firings are commonplace. It remains difficult to say when and if an ABA school will actually close, but expect to see some schools merge (constructive closures), and a couple of others spin off separate campuses into independent entities which will be allowed to disappear by their central administrations.

Beyond these specific developments, it's fair to say that the general atmosphere in legal academia is radically different than it was three years ago. Back then, the crisis was invisible, because it was only affecting our graduates, which meant there were an almost unlimited number of rationalizations available for denying its existence. (It's a few malcontents, it's the recession, law degrees are versatile, network! etc. etc.). As always, we are all strong enough to bear other men's misfortunes, but to cut one's own finger is a different matter."


http://insidethelawschoolscam.blogspot.com.es/

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Re: Updated applicants/applications numbers

Postby lawschool22 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:50 am

So the total projected number for the 2013-2014 cycle by their count would be 51,392 applicants. Last year there were 59,400 applicants. If the data holds this would represent another drop of about 13.4% year-over-year. This would be an even bigger drop, percentage-wise, than last year (-12.3%).

What will be really interesting is when we get updated LSAT bandwidth data (Spivey?) so we can see where the drop is hitting most in terms of LSAT scores.

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Re: Updated applicants/applications numbers

Postby Gustave » Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:32 pm

lawschool22 wrote:So the total projected number for the 2013-2014 cycle by their count would be 51,392 applicants. Last year there were 59,400 applicants. If the data holds this would represent another drop of about 13.4% year-over-year. This would be an even bigger drop, percentage-wise, than last year (-12.3%).

What will be really interesting is when we get updated LSAT bandwidth data (Spivey?) so we can see where the drop is hitting most in terms of LSAT scores.

bump.

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Re: Updated applicants/applications numbers

Postby BillsFan9907 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:01 pm

What has Spivey uncovered so far about LSAT numbers? I believe there was a rise in the 175-180 scorers, and a drop in the group below?

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Re: Updated applicants/applications numbers

Postby hawkeye10 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:07 pm

Seoulless wrote:What has Spivey uncovered so far about LSAT numbers? I believe there was a rise in the 175-180 scorers, and a drop in the group below?


Here's what he has http://spiveyconsulting.com/blog/2014-lsat-bandwidth-changes-as-120614-versus-2013/

There was a rise, but the overall numbers of those scores are still very, very small compared to the rest of the scores.

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Re: Updated applicants/applications numbers

Postby dosto » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:19 pm

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Re: Updated applicants/applications numbers

Postby nothingtosee » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:25 pm

Where's the poast that shows specific schools' drop in applicants.

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Re: Updated applicants/applications numbers

Postby BLUERUFiO » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:27 pm

nothingtosee wrote:Where's the poast that shows specific schools' drop in applicants.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=222235

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Re: Updated applicants/applications numbers

Postby Tiago Splitter » Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:38 am

milkandcheerios wrote:Wow. And people still keep saying that things will flatten out next year. I can't really see that happening.

Don't know who would be saying this. As long as the number of people taking the LSAT continues to drop expect the number of people applying to law school to continue dropping.

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Re: Updated applicants/applications numbers

Postby Gustave » Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:50 pm

hawkeye10 wrote:
Seoulless wrote:What has Spivey uncovered so far about LSAT numbers? I believe there was a rise in the 175-180 scorers, and a drop in the group below?


Here's what he has http://spiveyconsulting.com/blog/2014-lsat-bandwidth-changes-as-120614-versus-2013/

There was a rise, but the overall numbers of those scores are still very, very small compared to the rest of the scores.


And, given this link (http://www.cambridgelsat.com/resources/ ... les-table/) we can determine the approximate amount of test takers who will score at each band, assuming these percentages hold.

175-180: 99.5; .005 *1.121 * 112515 = 630
170-174: 97.4; .026 * .954 * 112515 =2790 -630 =2160
165-169: 91.5; .085 * .85 * 112515= 8129 -2160=7913
160-164:80.3; .197 * .831 *112515 =18419 -7913 = 10506
155-159: 63.4; .366 * .837 *112515 =34468 -10506 =23962
150-154:44.4; .556 * .852 *112515 = 53299 -23962 = 29337




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