Lwoods1020 wrote: leroyjenkins6969 wrote:
RhymesLikeDimes wrote:Both are terrible schools. Don't go to either.
It's not that this is bad advice, but you may literally be shitting on this person's dreams. Ok...figuratively shitting on their dreams. I don't understand why so many people on TLS have this attitude.
Sure, the job prospects coming out of those schools aren't great. But prospects must be evaluated against realistic alternatives, not unachievable ideals. Going to a law school like Stetson can actually be the prospect with the highest expected utility for some folks. I am disheartened that many TLSers can be so obtuse, and worse yet, offer advice that isn't applicable to everyone. Not all law students want "Big Law."
EDIT: I started this thread at the beginning and stopped at this, I didn't realize it was discussed further.
The issue isn't getting big law. It is that if one took out 200k in loans, and wound up with a 40k a year salary in a branch of law that doesn't have much growth potential then there is a good argument that working retail with the high likelihood of getting promoted to manager at between 15-20/hour is a better outcome. If OP could hypothetically get big law if he was top 25% at a t-14 then he can very likely get a retail job now, and do well at it. Simply having a good grasp of the English language, not being deformed and smiling would make OP very attractive to many high end clothing stores.
So basically if OP wins as much as is reasonably possible at Stetson or FIU, law school was a mistake. The overwhelming majority of people coming from these schools will never touch a six-figure salary. A significant number would kill for a 40k/yr job. It is hard to believe that Stetson would really be the best case scenario for anyone, because assuming OP doesn't want to ruin his credit or default on his loans, he's essentially going to law school to have a low quality of life.
These 40 hour a week legal jobs paying 80k to first year lawyers don't really exist. Data also shows that these types of jobs are actually more preferred by first year lawyers than are big law jobs where there is less work-life balance yet how many law students from even the t-14 actually get these jobs? 2-3%? It isn't like it's big law or 80k and a middle class life. It's big law/clerkship, public interest (which is similarly comparative and even more unpredictable in terms of hiring) and being fucked. These are the 3 most common outcomes for all law students regardless of school, and the Florida law schools (except for maybe UF/FSU) have a greater likelihood of being fucked than not being fucked (I consider a 40k salary with no LRAP on a 200k loan to be fucked).
There is no evidence that this is OP's dream, that he dreams of waking up each day in a roach infested studio apartment on an impoverished street, putting on a K-Mart signature suit and ride the overcrowded city bus to help the little guy get justice. It appears that OP just wants a job that will enable him to earn a living wage, and be able to start a family like most law students do (and is probably the most practical way to approach the entire thing).
The issue is not only that Stetson or FIU are unlikely to provide that to OP, but also that as a consequence of the debt OP may be forever precluded from options that will earn him a living wage. When one has 200k in debt, they need a high paying job. We're looking at a situation that has a strong possibility of paying a McDonalds type weekly take home income, but if McDonalds Academy charged future cashiers 200k to work for minimum wage. Even with no debt, it is difficult to live off of a McDonalds salary. The only reason why there isn't a similar public uproar about places like Stetson and FIU are the beliefs that (1) lawyers are all rich, (2) one can do anything with their law degree and (3) fuck lawyers - they take our money.