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CC gpa screwed me with retakes and LSAC counting remedial classes. I called my CC to make sure they notated what classes were remedial - which they did. Overall cumulative gpa comes out to 2.97 ... lol. So how much of a detriment is it when your gpa is below the 3 threshold? I mean obviously it's a bad GPA.

It can be overcome with a sufficiently good LSAT. You're going to be under every decent schools 25% GPA wise, so you'll need to be above their 75% LSAT most likely.

oops, sorry let me add since context is important here: MA urm with 151 and 160 retake. Any shot at mid 20s - 40s?

Really want to hit Fordham BU BC.

With that GPA, you're probably looking at wanting at least a 165 to stand much of a chance at BU, BC. Probably Fordham too. 167+ would be better.

Regardless of being urm?

Aequitas_ wrote: So how much of a detriment is it when your gpa is below the 3 threshold? I mean obviously it's a bad GPA.

Having a 2.X GPA is more of a psychological hurdle for the adcomms than a mathematical one. For just about all of the T50 schools, anything below a 3.2 is below the school's 25th percentile, and has the same effect on their medians. It really doesn't make much difference to their numbers if you have a 3.1 or a 2.7.

To have a good shot at admission, you need to be able to offer them an LSAT that's over their 75th percentile (or URM-boosted equivalent).

Having a 2.X GPA is more of a psychological hurdle for the adcomms than a mathematical one. For just about all of the T50 schools, anything below a 3.2 is below the school's 25th percentile, and has the same effect on their medians. It really doesn't make much difference to their numbers if you have a 3.1 or a 2.7.

To have a good shot at admission, you need to be able to offer them an LSAT that's over their 75th percentile (or URM-boosted equivalent).

Ok nice. Yea I'll be applying to about 30 schools or so. I know I have to cast a really wide net with my numbers. Hopefully some of them will hit. I'll be applying to UVA/Duke for shits and giggles but the rest will be 20s - 40s and a couple upper T-2's which I hope will be on lock.

Aequitas_ wrote:Regardless of being urm?

I mean, there's not much data on LSN with URM, but I'm more or less echoing what ScottRiqui said. BU's median is 165, BC's is 164, and Fordham's is 163 (for FT program). It might be worth noting that your chances may be better at Fordham's PT program.

I mean, there's not much data on LSN with URM, but I'm more or less echoing what ScottRiqui said. BU's median is 165, BC's is 164, and Fordham's is 163 (for FT program). It might be worth noting that your chances may be better at Fordham's PT program.

Is it possible to transition from PT to FT in LS?

Thanks for the responses well, they've been very helpful.

Aequitas_ wrote:

I mean, there's not much data on LSN with URM, but I'm more or less echoing what ScottRiqui said. BU's median is 165, BC's is 164, and Fordham's is 163 (for FT program). It might be worth noting that your chances may be better at Fordham's PT program.

Is it possible to transition from PT to FT in LS?

Thanks for the responses well, they've been very helpful.

http://law.fordham.edu/registrar/2763.htm

Go to section XVII. Your answer.

And the normal refrain of "don't just aim to barely get in, aim for scholarships." Fordham at sticker would be pretty stupid, while it might be a good option with $.

TheSpanishMain wrote:And the normal refrain of "don't just aim to barely get in, aim for scholarships." Fordham at sticker would be pretty stupid, while it might be a good option with $.

But isn't Fordham super stingy with money?

(or URM-boosted equivalent).

What do you mean by this exactly?

Aequitas_ wrote:

(or URM-boosted equivalent).

What do you mean by this exactly?

Well, if you're under a school's 25th percentile GPA, you really need to be above their 75th percentile LSAT to have a fighting chance. So for most schools in the 20-50 range, you'd need at least a 163. But being a URM gives you a little bit of an admissions boost, so you might be able to get away with a slightly lower LSAT and still have a chance.

Right. Ok. Well I did the math and there are only ~510 MA who scored 160 or higher, and ~200 AA who scored 160 or higher. I honestly am going to apply to a lot of schools but I really wonder how random this cycle will be with law apps down.

WUSTL and Mizzou offered me 10k/year as a white 168/2.38. Pitt waitlisted me, which I treated as a rejection.

From my understanding it depends a lot on the school.

I would like to point out for the sake of all of you who will be taking business organizations / corporations in a year or two: OP is using the term "poison pill" incorrectly. "Poison pill" is not some generic term for "bad thing." The term has more specific meaning: it's something that you swallow (or take on, acquire, etc) that then causes you harm.

In it's most famous application, an acquiror buys shares of a target with a poison pill, and the poison pill then dilutes the acquiror's holding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shareholder_rights_plan

You'll thank me for this later.

AntipodeanPhil wrote:I would like to point out for the sake of all of you who will be taking business organizations / corporations in a year or two: OP is using the term "poison pill" incorrectly. "Poison pill" is not some generic term for "bad thing." The term has more specific meaning: it's something that you swallow (or take on, acquire, etc) that then causes you harm.

In it's most famous application, an acquiror buys shares of a target with a poison pill, and the poison pill then dilutes the acquiror's holding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shareholder_rights_plan

You'll thank me for this later.

I'm thanking you for this now. Quite interesting, it is.

TheSpanishMain wrote:It can be overcome with a sufficiently good LSAT. You're going to be under every decent schools 25% GPA wise, so you'll need to be above their 75% LSAT most likely.

Curious as to how this works. A very general, vague question I know but for example let us say you are .5 points below the 25% but 5-10 points above the 75% would that be sufficient? How exactly do the two correlate?

js123 wrote:

TheSpanishMain wrote:It can be overcome with a sufficiently good LSAT. You're going to be under every decent schools 25% GPA wise, so you'll need to be above their 75% LSAT most likely.

Curious as to how this works. A very general, vague question I know but for example let us say you are .5 points below the 25% but 5-10 points above the 75% would that be sufficient? How exactly do the two correlate?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median

js123 wrote:

TheSpanishMain wrote:It can be overcome with a sufficiently good LSAT. You're going to be under every decent schools 25% GPA wise, so you'll need to be above their 75% LSAT most likely.

Curious as to how this works. A very general, vague question I know but for example let us say you are .5 points below the 25% but 5-10 points above the 75% would that be sufficient? How exactly do the two correlate?

Depends on the school. Some schools (i.e. Northwestern, UVA) are much more splitter friendly than others. Each school has their own formula and gives different weight to each (LSAT and GPA).

LET'S GET IT wrote:

js123 wrote:

TheSpanishMain wrote:It can be overcome with a sufficiently good LSAT. You're going to be under every decent schools 25% GPA wise, so you'll need to be above their 75% LSAT most likely.

Curious as to how this works. A very general, vague question I know but for example let us say you are .5 points below the 25% but 5-10 points above the 75% would that be sufficient? How exactly do the two correlate?

Depends on the school. Some schools (i.e. Northwestern, UVA) are much more splitter friendly than others. Each school has their own formula and gives different weight to each (LSAT and GPA).

Do you know of any place where I can find that information? As far as what schools put more weight on lsat or gpa.

js123 wrote:

LET'S GET IT wrote:

js123 wrote:

TheSpanishMain wrote:It can be overcome with a sufficiently good LSAT. You're going to be under every decent schools 25% GPA wise, so you'll need to be above their 75% LSAT most likely.

Curious as to how this works. A very general, vague question I know but for example let us say you are .5 points below the 25% but 5-10 points above the 75% would that be sufficient? How exactly do the two correlate?

Depends on the school. Some schools (i.e. Northwestern, UVA) are much more splitter friendly than others. Each school has their own formula and gives different weight to each (LSAT and GPA).

Do you know of any place where I can find that information? As far as what schools put more weight on lsat or gpa.

lawschoolnumbers.com

The graphs give you an idea of how low schools will typically go on either GPA or LSAT.