How much of a poison pill is a sub 3.0 GPA

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How much of a poison pill is a sub 3.0 GPA

Postby Aequitas_ » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:44 pm

CC gpa screwed me with retakes and LSAC counting remedial classes. I called my CC to make sure they notated what classes were remedial - which they did. Overall cumulative gpa comes out to 2.97 ... lol. So how much of a detriment is it when your gpa is below the 3 threshold? I mean obviously it's a bad GPA.

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Re: How much of a poison pill is a sub 3.0 GPA

Postby TheSpanishMain » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:52 pm

It can be overcome with a sufficiently good LSAT. You're going to be under every decent schools 25% GPA wise, so you'll need to be above their 75% LSAT most likely.

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Re: How much of a poison pill is a sub 3.0 GPA

Postby Aequitas_ » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:54 pm

oops, sorry let me add since context is important here: MA urm with 151 and 160 retake. Any shot at mid 20s - 40s?

Really want to hit Fordham BU BC.

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Re: How much of a poison pill is a sub 3.0 GPA

Postby ltrego » Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:03 pm

With that GPA, you're probably looking at wanting at least a 165 to stand much of a chance at BU, BC. Probably Fordham too. 167+ would be better.

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Re: How much of a poison pill is a sub 3.0 GPA

Postby Aequitas_ » Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:04 pm

Regardless of being urm?

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Re: How much of a poison pill is a sub 3.0 GPA

Postby ScottRiqui » Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:14 pm

Aequitas_ wrote: So how much of a detriment is it when your gpa is below the 3 threshold? I mean obviously it's a bad GPA.


Having a 2.X GPA is more of a psychological hurdle for the adcomms than a mathematical one. For just about all of the T50 schools, anything below a 3.2 is below the school's 25th percentile, and has the same effect on their medians. It really doesn't make much difference to their numbers if you have a 3.1 or a 2.7.

To have a good shot at admission, you need to be able to offer them an LSAT that's over their 75th percentile (or URM-boosted equivalent).

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Re: How much of a poison pill is a sub 3.0 GPA

Postby Aequitas_ » Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:18 pm

Having a 2.X GPA is more of a psychological hurdle for the adcomms than a mathematical one. For just about all of the T50 schools, anything below a 3.2 is below the school's 25th percentile, and has the same effect on their medians. It really doesn't make much difference to their numbers if you have a 3.1 or a 2.7.

To have a good shot at admission, you need to be able to offer them an LSAT that's over their 75th percentile (or URM-boosted equivalent).


Ok nice. Yea I'll be applying to about 30 schools or so. I know I have to cast a really wide net with my numbers. Hopefully some of them will hit. I'll be applying to UVA/Duke for shits and giggles but the rest will be 20s - 40s and a couple upper T-2's which I hope will be on lock.

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Re: How much of a poison pill is a sub 3.0 GPA

Postby ltrego » Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:22 pm

Aequitas_ wrote:Regardless of being urm?


I mean, there's not much data on LSN with URM, but I'm more or less echoing what ScottRiqui said. BU's median is 165, BC's is 164, and Fordham's is 163 (for FT program). It might be worth noting that your chances may be better at Fordham's PT program.

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Re: How much of a poison pill is a sub 3.0 GPA

Postby Aequitas_ » Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:26 pm

I mean, there's not much data on LSN with URM, but I'm more or less echoing what ScottRiqui said. BU's median is 165, BC's is 164, and Fordham's is 163 (for FT program). It might be worth noting that your chances may be better at Fordham's PT program.


Is it possible to transition from PT to FT in LS?

Thanks for the responses well, they've been very helpful.

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Re: How much of a poison pill is a sub 3.0 GPA

Postby ltrego » Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:39 pm

Aequitas_ wrote:
I mean, there's not much data on LSN with URM, but I'm more or less echoing what ScottRiqui said. BU's median is 165, BC's is 164, and Fordham's is 163 (for FT program). It might be worth noting that your chances may be better at Fordham's PT program.


Is it possible to transition from PT to FT in LS?

Thanks for the responses well, they've been very helpful.


http://law.fordham.edu/registrar/2763.htm

Go to section XVII. Your answer.

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Re: How much of a poison pill is a sub 3.0 GPA

Postby TheSpanishMain » Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:47 pm

And the normal refrain of "don't just aim to barely get in, aim for scholarships." Fordham at sticker would be pretty stupid, while it might be a good option with $.

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Re: How much of a poison pill is a sub 3.0 GPA

Postby altoid99 » Thu Dec 05, 2013 2:15 pm

TheSpanishMain wrote:And the normal refrain of "don't just aim to barely get in, aim for scholarships." Fordham at sticker would be pretty stupid, while it might be a good option with $.


But isn't Fordham super stingy with money?

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Re: How much of a poison pill is a sub 3.0 GPA

Postby Aequitas_ » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:16 pm

(or URM-boosted equivalent).


What do you mean by this exactly?

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Re: How much of a poison pill is a sub 3.0 GPA

Postby ScottRiqui » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:44 pm

Aequitas_ wrote:
(or URM-boosted equivalent).


What do you mean by this exactly?


Well, if you're under a school's 25th percentile GPA, you really need to be above their 75th percentile LSAT to have a fighting chance. So for most schools in the 20-50 range, you'd need at least a 163. But being a URM gives you a little bit of an admissions boost, so you might be able to get away with a slightly lower LSAT and still have a chance.

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Re: How much of a poison pill is a sub 3.0 GPA

Postby Aequitas_ » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:57 pm

Right. Ok. Well I did the math and there are only ~510 MA who scored 160 or higher, and ~200 AA who scored 160 or higher. I honestly am going to apply to a lot of schools but I really wonder how random this cycle will be with law apps down.

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Re: How much of a poison pill is a sub 3.0 GPA

Postby Zensack » Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:43 pm

WUSTL and Mizzou offered me 10k/year as a white 168/2.38. Pitt waitlisted me, which I treated as a rejection.

From my understanding it depends a lot on the school.

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Re: How much of a poison pill is a sub 3.0 GPA

Postby AntipodeanPhil » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:37 am

I would like to point out for the sake of all of you who will be taking business organizations / corporations in a year or two: OP is using the term "poison pill" incorrectly. "Poison pill" is not some generic term for "bad thing." The term has more specific meaning: it's something that you swallow (or take on, acquire, etc) that then causes you harm.

In it's most famous application, an acquiror buys shares of a target with a poison pill, and the poison pill then dilutes the acquiror's holding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shareholder_rights_plan

You'll thank me for this later.

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Re: How much of a poison pill is a sub 3.0 GPA

Postby ltrego » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:48 am

AntipodeanPhil wrote:I would like to point out for the sake of all of you who will be taking business organizations / corporations in a year or two: OP is using the term "poison pill" incorrectly. "Poison pill" is not some generic term for "bad thing." The term has more specific meaning: it's something that you swallow (or take on, acquire, etc) that then causes you harm.

In it's most famous application, an acquiror buys shares of a target with a poison pill, and the poison pill then dilutes the acquiror's holding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shareholder_rights_plan

You'll thank me for this later.


I'm thanking you for this now. Quite interesting, it is.

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Re: How much of a poison pill is a sub 3.0 GPA

Postby js123 » Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:10 pm

TheSpanishMain wrote:It can be overcome with a sufficiently good LSAT. You're going to be under every decent schools 25% GPA wise, so you'll need to be above their 75% LSAT most likely.


Curious as to how this works. A very general, vague question I know but for example let us say you are .5 points below the 25% but 5-10 points above the 75% would that be sufficient? How exactly do the two correlate?

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Re: How much of a poison pill is a sub 3.0 GPA

Postby patogordo » Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:16 pm

js123 wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:It can be overcome with a sufficiently good LSAT. You're going to be under every decent schools 25% GPA wise, so you'll need to be above their 75% LSAT most likely.


Curious as to how this works. A very general, vague question I know but for example let us say you are .5 points below the 25% but 5-10 points above the 75% would that be sufficient? How exactly do the two correlate?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median

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Re: How much of a poison pill is a sub 3.0 GPA

Postby LET'S GET IT » Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:57 pm

js123 wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:It can be overcome with a sufficiently good LSAT. You're going to be under every decent schools 25% GPA wise, so you'll need to be above their 75% LSAT most likely.


Curious as to how this works. A very general, vague question I know but for example let us say you are .5 points below the 25% but 5-10 points above the 75% would that be sufficient? How exactly do the two correlate?


Depends on the school. Some schools (i.e. Northwestern, UVA) are much more splitter friendly than others. Each school has their own formula and gives different weight to each (LSAT and GPA).

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Re: How much of a poison pill is a sub 3.0 GPA

Postby js123 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:52 am

LET'S GET IT wrote:
js123 wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:It can be overcome with a sufficiently good LSAT. You're going to be under every decent schools 25% GPA wise, so you'll need to be above their 75% LSAT most likely.


Curious as to how this works. A very general, vague question I know but for example let us say you are .5 points below the 25% but 5-10 points above the 75% would that be sufficient? How exactly do the two correlate?


Depends on the school. Some schools (i.e. Northwestern, UVA) are much more splitter friendly than others. Each school has their own formula and gives different weight to each (LSAT and GPA).


Do you know of any place where I can find that information? As far as what schools put more weight on lsat or gpa.

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Re: How much of a poison pill is a sub 3.0 GPA

Postby Tiago Splitter » Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:34 am

js123 wrote:
LET'S GET IT wrote:
js123 wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:It can be overcome with a sufficiently good LSAT. You're going to be under every decent schools 25% GPA wise, so you'll need to be above their 75% LSAT most likely.


Curious as to how this works. A very general, vague question I know but for example let us say you are .5 points below the 25% but 5-10 points above the 75% would that be sufficient? How exactly do the two correlate?


Depends on the school. Some schools (i.e. Northwestern, UVA) are much more splitter friendly than others. Each school has their own formula and gives different weight to each (LSAT and GPA).


Do you know of any place where I can find that information? As far as what schools put more weight on lsat or gpa.

lawschoolnumbers.com

The graphs give you an idea of how low schools will typically go on either GPA or LSAT.




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