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mermaidprincess92
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25th percentile

Postby mermaidprincess92 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:24 pm

Is there any chance of getting into a school if your gpa and lsat are both at the 25th percentile of last years class? I have heard this cycle is going to be a little bit easier....


I'm really trying to figure out if I should retake the LSAT in december or just keep what I have. My test turned out about 3/4 points under what most of my practice tests were so I think I might be able to do better, but I also know I might not and don't want to risk submitting my apps later or scoring lower and having it look even worse. If there's any shot I could get in with my current numbers I wouldn't retake.
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Re: 25th percentile

Postby northwood » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:26 pm

mermaidprincess92 wrote:Is there any chance of getting into a school if your gpa and lsat are both at the 25th percentile of last years class? I have heard this cycle is going to be a little bit easier....



sure its a reach, but why not give it a shot ( but if you get in, you likely will be paying sticker)

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Re: 25th percentile

Postby rinkrat19 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:42 pm

Your odds are non-zero, but extremely small. People with one number at a 25th% usually have the other number over the median (splitter/reverse splitter). Why would a school admit people who don't help with either median?
You can look up on LSN how many people got in with both numbers below median.

Take the UVA graph from last cycle. The medians were 170/3.86. There are not very many green circles below/left of those (and the very few are mostly URMs)
http://uva.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/1314


Edited because I need to go back to preschool to learn my shapes.
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Re: 25th percentile

Postby californiauser » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:45 pm

Probably not worth the application fee unless you're an URM.

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Re: 25th percentile

Postby McGruff » Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:10 pm

mermaidprincess92 wrote:Is there any chance of getting into a school if your gpa and lsat are both at the 25th percentile of last years class? I have heard this cycle is going to be a little bit easier....


I'm really trying to figure out if I should retake the LSAT in december or just keep what I have. My test turned out about 3/4 points under what most of my practice tests were so I think I might be able to do better, but I also know I might not and don't want to risk submitting my apps later or scoring lower and having it look even worse. If there's any shot I could get in with my current numbers I wouldn't retake.


Yes, retake. It's not just admission, it's $$. You've already implied you could see a jump, so retake. The downsides are small/nonexistent and the potential upsides are huge.

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Re: 25th percentile

Postby drawstring » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:04 pm

On a related note, what tends to be a bigger jump in terms of how an LSAT score is valued: below median to median, or median to above median?

So assuming 168-170-172 and candidates equal aside from their LSATs, would there tend to be a greater difference in the chances of a 168/169 vs a 170, or a 170 vs let's say a 171-173?
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Re: 25th percentile

Postby KingofSplitters55 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:09 pm

rinkrat19 wrote:Your odds are non-zero, but extremely small. People with one number at a 25th% usually have the other number over the median (splitter/reverse splitter). Why would a school admit people who don't help with either median?
You can look up on LSN how many people got in with both numbers below median.

Take the UVA graph from last cycle. The medians were 170/3.86. There are not very many green circles below/left of those (and the very few are mostly URMs)
http://uva.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/1314


Edited because I need to go back to preschool to learn my shapes.


* UVA's median was 169 last cycle.

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Re: 25th percentile

Postby cotiger » Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:56 pm

drawstring wrote:On a related note, what tends to be a bigger jump in terms of how an LSAT score is valued: below median to median, or median to above median?

So assuming 168-170-172 and candidates equal aside from their LSATs, would there tend to be a greater difference in the chances of a 168/169 vs a 170, or a 170 vs let's say a 171-173?


Intuitively, in a time of falling applications, the jump to median would be more significant, as schools are just worried about defending their medians. In times of increasing applications, the jump to above median would be relatively more significant as schools try to increase their medians.

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Re: 25th percentile

Postby KingofSplitters55 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:07 pm

cotiger wrote:
drawstring wrote:On a related note, what tends to be a bigger jump in terms of how an LSAT score is valued: below median to median, or median to above median?

So assuming 168-170-172 and candidates equal aside from their LSATs, would there tend to be a greater difference in the chances of a 168/169 vs a 170, or a 170 vs let's say a 171-173?


Intuitively, in a time of falling applications, the jump to median would be more significant, as schools are just worried about defending their medians. In times of increasing applications, the jump to above median would be relatively more significant as schools try to increase their medians.

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Re: 25th percentile

Postby drawstring » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:11 pm

Thanks!

That's what I suspected.

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Re: 25th percentile

Postby iamgeorgebush » Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:52 pm

Calling flame for Ms. Legally Blonde.




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