Some ideas, please.

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Some ideas, please.

Postby Novel » Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:36 pm

I've been preparing for law school for the las four years. I feel as though I I might have to give up on this dream. My second lsat was 155 one point lower than my previous one. I want to to practice as a a public defender then specialize in general defense/juvenile defense at a firm or in my own office. CConsidering the type of law im I'm interested in should a second tier law school be an option?

I have a 3.4 gpa in philosophy and some background in on computers so I can also go to grad school for for computer science. But my heart is in law.

Id appreciate some of your thoughts on this matter.

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Re: Some ideas, please.

Postby Otunga » Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:55 pm

How'd you study for the test? You have a respectable GPA in philosophy, so I suspect you have the potential to score higher on the LSAT.

I don't think you could get into a law school worth investing in at this point with your scores as they are. I suggest taking the test in June and giving yourself the best opportunity to score high.

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Re: Some ideas, please.

Postby outlawscr10 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:52 pm

Do you plan on taking another LSAT?

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Re: Some ideas, please.

Postby Novel » Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:36 pm

I took a prep course once and spent a lot of time (10-12 months total) self studying while working approximately 30 hpw. Went through all the Logic Bible books and many practice tests. I understand the material most of the time but almost always perform horribly on practice tests and the actual test.

I'm not sure where I'm going wrong but I've been a poor test taker for many years now. I did well as an undergrad because most of my exams were take home papers or three hour in class exams giving me plenty of time to think things out. Beginning this Friday I'm meeting with a tutor who'll focus primarily on helping me improve my test taking skills.

I'm eager to start law. I don't know if i'll retake it next year. If the tutor helps then yes I'll retake it if not then I'll have to decide between comp sci or law at a second tier. I don't mind second tier if it'll get me a starting position as public defender but practically everyone I know who is an attorney or in law school (first tier and second tier) insists that I reconsider until I score higher.

I guess I'm searching for evidence that might support my take on this situation.

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Re: Some ideas, please.

Postby outlawscr10 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:46 pm

Perfecting logic games will give you a solid base to build on. They are perfectible with a lot of time. Run through the practice tests, time yourself and then use explanations on 7sage.com (free). I'd spend a month, if you have the time, solely doing daily sessions of logic games. The other sections are a bit more nuanced and difficult to learn. I wish you the best of luck.

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Re: Some ideas, please.

Postby Novel » Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:52 pm

Thanks.

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Re: Some ideas, please.

Postby Otunga » Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:16 am

What were your PT avgs?

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Re: Some ideas, please.

Postby Novel » Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:48 am

Most recent 25 pt's:

154, 155, 155, 157, 155, 157, 159, 160, 159, 160, 156, 158, 157, 158, 159, 157, 159, 158, 160, 159, 160, 158, 157, 158, 159.

At a glance it seems like I average somewhere between 156-158.

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Re: Some ideas, please.

Postby McGruff » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:57 pm

Novel wrote:Most recent 25 pt's:

154, 155, 155, 157, 155, 157, 159, 160, 159, 160, 156, 158, 157, 158, 159, 157, 159, 158, 160, 159, 160, 158, 157, 158, 159.

At a glance it seems like I average somewhere between 156-158.


I respect your work ethic and promise you you can do better. That is a shitload of 15xs to plow through, which takes all the motivation required for success, so it's not that you aren't working hard enough, it's just that your methods might be in need of some tweaking.

How much time did you spend reviewing each PT? I spent hours and hours going over each question that I missed or found difficult and, while it was unbelievably difficult to force myself to do it(for some reason, review is commonly the most hated part of study), that's where I improved the most.

The logic bibles are alright but my scores were about where yours were until I went through the Manhattan guides, all the 7sage videos, drilled by type for LR and LG, and spent some time with the LSAT Trainer for RC.

I think a lot of people think that just grinding out PT after PT is the road to improvement, but it's really mostly review. PTs aren't to improve, they're to tell you where you need to improve. Then you study that specific area, and improve there.

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Re: Some ideas, please.

Postby bp shinners » Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:20 pm

Novel wrote:Most recent 25 pt's:

154, 155, 155, 157, 155, 157, 159, 160, 159, 160, 156, 158, 157, 158, 159, 157, 159, 158, 160, 159, 160, 158, 157, 158, 159.

At a glance it seems like I average somewhere between 156-158.


Those tell me that you're still not mastering the methods for each question type. You need to do focused review and have a way to approach every question on the LSAT. After that, you can take PTs and see improvement. But it seems to me like you were just taking a ton of PTs and hoping you'd improve - that's usually not how it works.

Go back over those tests and review your incorrect answers - at least 10 minutes per LR question (closer to 15 is preferable); 30 minutes per game/passage (or more). Then, when you see your weaknesses, drill those question types with a specific approach to each question in mind. Train yourself to always follow the same process for the same question type.

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Re: Some ideas, please.

Postby Novel » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:30 pm

Thanks for the tips. I think I'll give it another shot with the Manhattan Books and 7 sage.




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