Weight of a master's degree?

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Weight of a master's degree?

Postby outlawscr10 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:39 pm

I have a 3.8/167. It seems like I'm about borderline for GULC, Duke and Northwestern. Anyone have any insight on if a master's degree can help make the difference at these schools?

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Re: Weight of a master's degree?

Postby JazzOne » Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:43 pm

The conventional wisdom on this forum is that graduate degrees have very little impact on law school admissions decisions.

Perhaps you already know that and you're asking if there is anything unique about the particular schools you mentioned. I don't think there is, but others can correct me if I'm wrong.

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Re: Weight of a master's degree?

Postby Dr. Review » Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:45 pm

A master's degree is essentially a soft for law school admissions purposes. You are probably in good shape (not a lock) at GULC/Cornell. Duke and NU may be a little more borderline, with a decent chance of acceptance, depending on how the LSAT slide goes this year.

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Re: Weight of a master's degree?

Postby twenty » Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:45 pm

A graduate GPA better than your uGPA will be a nice soft. A gradute GPA worse than your uGPA is a huge red flag.

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Re: Weight of a master's degree?

Postby outlawscr10 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:45 pm

I do know that it will not compensate for a lower GPA or LSAT. I suppose it's more a question of how a graduate degree would influence borderline decisions.

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Re: Weight of a master's degree?

Postby JazzOne » Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:47 pm

outlawscr10 wrote:I do know that it will not compensate for a lower GPA or LSAT. I suppose it's more a question of how a graduate degree would influence borderline decisions.

The data on that is very limited and mostly anecdotal. It probably differs from school to school. Perhaps what matters most is how you spin it to market yourself.

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Re: Weight of a master's degree?

Postby outlawscr10 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:18 pm

My undergraduate GPA was a 3.8, while my graduate GPA was a 3.89.

Cheers, everyone. Thanks for the help.

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Re: Weight of a master's degree?

Postby TheSpanishMain » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:24 pm

My sense is that a graduate degree might tip you over into the admit side if you're JUST on the border. Basically like any other decent soft.

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Re: Weight of a master's degree?

Postby outlawscr10 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:32 pm

I'm not sure if it's worth noting that I did a combined BA/MA program as an undergraduate and then was on a fellowship for the remainder of the degree. Is this the kind of information to include in a personal statement? Of course, it's listed in my resume, but I'm not sure how much attention that will receive.

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Re: Weight of a master's degree?

Postby mr. wednesday » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:56 pm

What is the masters in? I bet you'd get a slightly bigger bump for something that actually makes you more employable (like an IP area) vs an area that says you didn't know what to do with your life after college.

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Re: Weight of a master's degree?

Postby Dr. Review » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:57 pm

mr. wednesday wrote:What is the masters in? I bet you'd get a slightly bigger bump for something that actually makes you more employable (like an IP area) vs an area that says you didn't know what to do with your life after college.


Does the IP masters thing actually track? That implies that law schools care about employing people.

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Re: Weight of a master's degree?

Postby outlawscr10 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:01 pm

mr. wednesday wrote:What is the masters in? I bet you'd get a slightly bigger bump for something that actually makes you more employable (like an IP area) vs an area that says you didn't know what to do with your life after college.


More of the latter: history.

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Re: Weight of a master's degree?

Postby Ti Malice » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:26 pm

outlawscr10 wrote:I'm not sure if it's worth noting that I did a combined BA/MA program as an undergraduate and then was on a fellowship for the remainder of the degree. Is this the kind of information to include in a personal statement? Of course, it's listed in my resume, but I'm not sure how much attention that will receive.


That's definitely not the kind of thing to include in a PS. It belongs in the resume, and a PS should never be a resume dump.

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Re: Weight of a master's degree?

Postby Ti Malice » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:32 pm

Bedsole wrote:You are probably in good shape (not a lock) at GULC/Cornell.


A 3.8/167 is essentially a lock at Cornell these days, and will be even more so this year than last.

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Re: Weight of a master's degree?

Postby mr. wednesday » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:43 pm

Bedsole wrote:
mr. wednesday wrote:What is the masters in? I bet you'd get a slightly bigger bump for something that actually makes you more employable (like an IP area) vs an area that says you didn't know what to do with your life after college.


Does the IP masters thing actually track? That implies that law schools care about employing people.

I doubt it will make much of a difference either way but JD required/advantaged employment rates count in rankings so I wouldn't be shocked if employability is considered a bit. It's never going to be a game changer though because employment results are too far removed from applications (within a particular school) to have useful predictors.




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