C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby man_utd_4l » Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:12 am

http://www.law.msu.edu/admissions/class-profile.html

Michigan State:
LSAT: 157 [same]
GPA: 3.52 [-0.02]
Class: 273 [-25]

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby za51 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:17 am

man_utd_4l wrote:http://www.law.msu.edu/admissions/class-profile.html

Michigan State:
LSAT: 157 [same]
GPA: 3.52 [-0.02]
Class: 273 [-25]


That "4l" looks awfully like a 4-1 :wink:

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Lord Randolph McDuff » Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:55 am

altoid99 wrote:
Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:
Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:The whole process is just so sad and dumb. Minn is not the only school guilty of having ridiculous spreads. I think US News could recalculate class credentials to 25th + 75th divided by 2. That will help to make the classes more completive, and lessen the "ripped off" factor that many feel after finishing at the bottom of the curve.

This problem is only getting worse. When I applied to CU the class stats where 161/164/166. Last year the 25th LSAT was a wannabe-respectable 159. I'm afraid this year, what with our "largest class ever," the 25th LSAT is going to be 156 or less. Those students, along with all the TTT transfers I've met in the last few weeks, are going to be at a disadvantage. The 155 LSAT kids are destined for shit grades. The transfers only have 2 years to network instead of 3, a problem at schools like CU where you network into a job much more so than at top schools.

Side note: what is the highest spread between the quartiles? Minn is sitting at 11.


Actually looking at the google doc it looks like Minn is the worse. Northeastern and Drake are also bad. (Drake has 25% of its students with a 158 or better, 25% of its students with a 149 or worse). Will have to wait and see on a bunch of schools for class of 2016.

Yeah Minn games medians the worst. Many schools had a respectable spread of 4 or 5 between the quartiles.


Maryland wins with a 13 point difference last year. 151 25th?! I thought that was a typo but it isnt.


Wow.

So at least 25% of the class scored in the 90th percentile of the LSAT (164), and at least 25% of the class scored in the... actually not going to look it up but 151 is like half the questions right? Less?

And someone said earlier that no respectable school lets in 145 LSATS. I want him/her to be right but I dunno. And yeah Maryland is respectable in the real world. blah.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby jbagelboy » Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:57 pm

Has this already been noted? If so, my apologies.

NYU: http://www.law.nyu.edu/jdapplicants/classprofile

168 %25th/172 %75th, looks like a 170 median.
GPA's are actually up 0.03/0.01

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby francesfarmer » Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:55 pm

jbagelboy wrote:Has this already been noted? If so, my apologies.

NYU: http://www.law.nyu.edu/jdapplicants/classprofile

168 %25th/172 %75th, looks like a 170 median.
GPA's are actually up 0.03/0.01

JFC cannot believe those assholes waitlisted me with a 170 median.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Vincent » Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:06 pm

francesfarmer wrote:
jbagelboy wrote:Has this already been noted? If so, my apologies.

NYU: http://www.law.nyu.edu/jdapplicants/classprofile

168 %25th/172 %75th, looks like a 170 median.
GPA's are actually up 0.03/0.01

JFC cannot believe those assholes waitlisted me with a 170 median.


168/172 only tells us that the median is between a 168 and 172, inclusive.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby francesfarmer » Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:07 pm

Vincent wrote:
francesfarmer wrote:
jbagelboy wrote:Has this already been noted? If so, my apologies.

NYU: http://www.law.nyu.edu/jdapplicants/classprofile

168 %25th/172 %75th, looks like a 170 median.
GPA's are actually up 0.03/0.01

JFC cannot believe those assholes waitlisted me with a 170 median.


168/172 only tells us that the median is between a 168 and 172, inclusive.

Yeah I know that we are guessing at a 170 median. I understand math.

Let me restate: JFC I can't believe those assholes waitlisted me with a 172 75th percentile when I have a fucking 172
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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby isuperserial » Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:07 pm

So what's the expectation for the coming year? Are applications supposed to decrease even further, thus continuing the trend of relaxed requirements? Or is it supposed to stay relatively the same and level off, making what we see here pretty indicative of next cycle?

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby wtrc » Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:08 pm

Vincent wrote:
francesfarmer wrote:
jbagelboy wrote:Has this already been noted? If so, my apologies.

NYU: http://www.law.nyu.edu/jdapplicants/classprofile

168 %25th/172 %75th, looks like a 170 median.
GPA's are actually up 0.03/0.01

JFC cannot believe those assholes waitlisted me with a 170 median.


168/172 only tells us that the median is between a 168 and 172, inclusive.


Valid, but since it was 169/173 last year, with a 171 median, and since no median was released this year... makes me think 170 has a lot going for it atm.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Robespierre » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:06 pm

Hofstra: http://law.hofstra.edu/admissions/jdpro ... x.html#See who studies at Hofstra Law

Am I reading this right?? If so, it's a massacre ...

154 (-3)
3.14 (-.12)
215 students (-105)

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Postby Dr. Dre » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:12 pm

isuperserial wrote:So what's the expectation for the coming year? Are applications supposed to decrease even further, thus continuing the trend of relaxed requirements? Or is it supposed to stay relatively the same and level off, making what we see here pretty indicative of next cycle?



IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Tiago Splitter » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:11 pm

Robespierre wrote:Hofstra: http://law.hofstra.edu/admissions/jdpro ... x.html#See who studies at Hofstra Law

Am I reading this right?? If so, it's a massacre ...

154 (-3)
3.14 (-.12)
215 students (-105)

Declines like this definitely back up Campos' predictions that many of these schools will struggle to exist as a going concern. The great thing is they have huge fixed costs because of tenure rules, so they can't just dump professors to handle the much smaller class size.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby sublime » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:13 pm

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby moonman157 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:23 pm

Robespierre wrote:Hofstra: http://law.hofstra.edu/admissions/jdpro ... x.html#See who studies at Hofstra Law

Am I reading this right?? If so, it's a massacre ...

154 (-3)
3.14 (-.12)
215 students (-105)


Dear god, is every one of those students paying sticker?

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby shifty_eyed » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:35 pm

moonman157 wrote:
Robespierre wrote:Hofstra: http://law.hofstra.edu/admissions/jdpro ... x.html#See who studies at Hofstra Law

Am I reading this right?? If so, it's a massacre ...

154 (-3)
3.14 (-.12)
215 students (-105)


Dear god, is every one of those students paying sticker?


If they aren't paying sticker already, they will be soon.
http://law.hofstra.edu/admissions/finan ... index.html

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Jaqen » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:52 pm

UChi class size is 197. No word on medians or percentiles.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Lavitz » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:57 pm

Jaqen wrote:UChi class size is 197. No word on medians or percentiles.

Weren't they shooting for 185 or something?

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Monochromatic Oeuvre » Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:05 pm

Jaqen wrote:UChi class size is 197. No word on medians or percentiles.


April 2014: UChi admissions realizes life is much more difficult when you can't give 10% of your class full rides.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby 04102014 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:39 pm

Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:
Jaqen wrote:UChi class size is 197. No word on medians or percentiles.


April 2014: UChi admissions realizes life is much more difficult when you can't give 10% of your class full rides.


For real

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Postby 20141023 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:55 pm

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Lavitz » Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:04 pm

kappycaft1 wrote:
Lavitz wrote:
Jaqen wrote:UChi class size is 197. No word on medians or percentiles.

Weren't they shooting for 185 or something?

I think a lot more people took them up on their offer for scholarship than they were expecting (given their historically poor matriculation rate). I can't imagine that they intentionally increased their class size by that much in this economy.

I know. They must've had a much better yield than expected. I'm not even surprised by that. I was just wondering why they kept accepting people off the WL. But I guess either the people who were withdrawing were affecting the medians or they could afford to take more people without hurting medians so they figured why not.

Either way, your class size is larger than mine now. :wink:

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby 20141023 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:13 pm

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Monochromatic Oeuvre » Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:27 pm

Also, I know a fun game called "Guess which T6 school is the only one that games its medians."

Not that I'd object to CLS doing the same. But until they do, point and laugh at the median manipulaTTTion.

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