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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby bizzybone1313 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:10 pm

Dr. Dre wrote:i predicate this cycle will be worse, especially for california lol skewls


Especially UCEYE? Lol. You should have ignored these guys and kept trolling against them. I have always wondered if a lot of the reps of these schools come online to see what everyone says about them.

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Postby Nova » Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:14 pm

I bet UCI adcomms know and hate Dre

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Dmini7 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:36 pm

UVAIce wrote:Minnesota put up its numbers:

LSAT
156/164/167

GPA
3.44/3.78/3.90

I can't remember when, if ever, they had numbers this bad.



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This drop is amazing... I am desperately waiting to see what happened to WUSTL and GW now.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby cannibal ox » Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:53 pm

I'm waiting on UT-Austin's numbers, since it's one of my top choices as of now.

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Postby Dr. Dre » Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:58 pm

UCI adcoms: Hi :D

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby bizzybone1313 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:24 pm

Dr. Dre wrote:UCI adcoms: Hi :D


I lol'ed hard. I am still lol'ing.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Monochromatic Oeuvre » Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:40 pm

jingosaur wrote:@Mono, not sure if you know this, but were the stats so much lower before because there were fewer candidates with good scores or because law schools just didn't care as much about the LSAT?


Yeah, law school used to be not quite as much of a numbers game. USNWR changed all that, on both the school side and the applicant side. Since 1993 (the baseline year of the 180 scale), T14 medians are up a lot, T1 medians are up marginally, and everyone else's medians are down. Schools were once black boxes and it was essentially impossible to determine "how good" at school was, which is why people used to just go to their regional schools at higher rates than they do now. I mean, T14 has always been T14 (that term has been around since at least the '60s), but the de-regionalization of law schools gave T14 a new sort of aura as a once-acceptable regionals became verboten as USNWR started ranking more and more schools.

At the same time, USNWR, being a self-fulfilling prophecy, started the numbers arms race as significantly more emphasis was placed on medians. Numbers became significant to the point where they now explain the overwhelming majority of variation in admissions decision. Basically, T14 medians are higher because the 170+ scorers are much more condensed in those schools than they would've been previously.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby ManoftheHour » Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:55 pm

Dmini7 wrote:This drop is amazing... I am desperately waiting to see what happened to WUSTL and GW now.

+1

To OP: This is an amazing thread. Thanks for starting it.

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Postby Dr. Dre » Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:56 pm

Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:self-fulfilling prophecy



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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby AT9 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:40 pm

UVAIce wrote:Minnesota put up its numbers:

LSAT
156/164/167

GPA
3.44/3.78/3.90

I can't remember when, if ever, they had numbers this bad.


:shock:

Just...wow.

UMN was one of my top choices, but no fee waiver (14/15 of my other top choices granted me a waiver) combined just a decent shot of admission at sticker caused me to write it off. But now, being above the GPA median and just 1 point below the LSAT median, my chances are looking pretty damn good.

I love the Twin Cities and Minnesota, and I'd love to return to my alma mater for law school. This is awesome news for me.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby FKASunny » Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:46 pm

AT9 wrote:
UVAIce wrote:Minnesota put up its numbers:

LSAT
156/164/167

GPA
3.44/3.78/3.90

I can't remember when, if ever, they had numbers this bad.


:shock:

Just...wow.

UMN was one of my top choices, but no fee waiver (14/15 of my other top choices granted me a waiver) combined just a decent shot of admission at sticker caused me to write it off. But now, being above the GPA median and just 1 point below the LSAT median, my chances are looking pretty damn good.

I love the Twin Cities and Minnesota, and I'd love to return to my alma mater for law school. This is awesome news for me.

Retake.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Nova » Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:26 pm

Yeah, hit 165+ and theyll probably offer you close to an full ride.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Motivator9 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:11 pm

There hasn't been much discussion of changes to the rankings after these drops in admission stats. Do you foresee and major changes in the too 25. Maybe Penn moves up a bit with CCN.

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Postby heythatslife » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:27 pm

I think there's a good chance that Chicago may knock Columbia down to #5 next year, instead of being tied for #4. Of course, the year after that Chicago will no longer be benefiting from the Ruby boost so who knows then.

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Postby AT9 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:30 pm

ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) wrote:
AT9 wrote:
UVAIce wrote:Minnesota put up its numbers:

LSAT
156/164/167

GPA
3.44/3.78/3.90

I can't remember when, if ever, they had numbers this bad.


:shock:

Just...wow.

UMN was one of my top choices, but no fee waiver (14/15 of my other top choices granted me a waiver) combined just a decent shot of admission at sticker caused me to write it off. But now, being above the GPA median and just 1 point below the LSAT median, my chances are looking pretty damn good.

I love the Twin Cities and Minnesota, and I'd love to return to my alma mater for law school. This is awesome news for me.

Retake.


I knew that was coming...

But yeah, planning to.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby jbagelboy » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:47 pm

heythatslife wrote:I think there's a good chance that Chicago may knock Columbia down to #5 next year, instead of being tied for #4. Of course, the year after that Chicago will no longer be benefiting from the Ruby boost so who knows then.


Ugh
If chi keeps the 171, its very possible. If they only hit 170 then probably stay ties.

I have a bad feeling its gonna hold. Heads may roll around here for damning "Top 4" even temporarily for the first time in .. A shitload of years.

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Postby Dolphine » Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:12 am

Dmini7 wrote:
UVAIce wrote:Minnesota put up its numbers:

LSAT
156/164/167

GPA
3.44/3.78/3.90

I can't remember when, if ever, they had numbers this bad.



This drop is amazing... I am desperately waiting to see what happened to WUSTL and GW now.

WUSTL threw out full rides like candy, and SHOULDVE kept their 166.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby WanderingPondering » Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:46 am

Dolphine wrote:
Dmini7 wrote:
UVAIce wrote:Minnesota put up its numbers:

LSAT
156/164/167

GPA
3.44/3.78/3.90

I can't remember when, if ever, they had numbers this bad.



This drop is amazing... I am desperately waiting to see what happened to WUSTL and GW now.

WUSTL threw out full rides like candy, and SHOULDVE kept their 166.


Did keep the 166

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Pneumonia » Sat Sep 21, 2013 2:17 pm

cannibal ox wrote:I'm waiting on UT-Austin's numbers, since it's one of my top choices as of now.


They are coming on 10/05 per Sam Riley, the director of admissions.

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Postby minnbills » Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:44 pm

Everyone here at UMN is livid about the medians. I should have waited another cycle. With a 168/3.4 I would have probably gotten a full ride. FML. We're predicting a 5-10 place drop in the rankings. A 156 25th percentile is a joke.

And FTR they did let in a much bigger 1L class. Before this year the strategy was to let in fewer students as 1Ls but then let in a ton of transfers to get their $$. My class (2015) has about 50 transfers.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Vincent » Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:56 pm

jbagelboy wrote:
heythatslife wrote:I think there's a good chance that Chicago may knock Columbia down to #5 next year, instead of being tied for #4. Of course, the year after that Chicago will no longer be benefiting from the Ruby boost so who knows then.


Ugh
If chi keeps the 171, its very possible. If they only hit 170 then probably stay ties.

I have a bad feeling its gonna hold. Heads may roll around here for damning "Top 4" even temporarily for the first time in .. A shitload of years.


http://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/jdjour ... holarships

Here comes the Cafaro! I don't know how many Rubies they awarded each year, but I think it was more than 3.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby MoMettaMonk » Sat Sep 21, 2013 4:20 pm

Vincent wrote:
jbagelboy wrote:
heythatslife wrote:I think there's a good chance that Chicago may knock Columbia down to #5 next year, instead of being tied for #4. Of course, the year after that Chicago will no longer be benefiting from the Ruby boost so who knows then.


Ugh
If chi keeps the 171, its very possible. If they only hit 170 then probably stay ties.

I have a bad feeling its gonna hold. Heads may roll around here for damning "Top 4" even temporarily for the first time in .. A shitload of years.


http://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/jdjour ... holarships

Here comes the Cafaro! I don't know how many Rubies they awarded each year, but I think it was more than 3.


I think there were about 20 Rubies per year, and there wasn't a financial need component for it.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby jbagelboy » Sat Sep 21, 2013 4:20 pm

Vincent wrote:
jbagelboy wrote:
heythatslife wrote:I think there's a good chance that Chicago may knock Columbia down to #5 next year, instead of being tied for #4. Of course, the year after that Chicago will no longer be benefiting from the Ruby boost so who knows then.


Ugh
If chi keeps the 171, its very possible. If they only hit 170 then probably stay ties.

I have a bad feeling its gonna hold. Heads may roll around here for damning "Top 4" even temporarily for the first time in .. A shitload of years.


http://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/jdjour ... holarships

Here comes the Cafaro! I don't know how many Rubies they awarded each year, but I think it was more than 3.


Rubenstein program was 20. Cafaro not gonna fill the void, but oh well the ruby did the trick

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby 052220151 » Sat Sep 21, 2013 4:21 pm

minnbills wrote:Everyone here at UMN is livid about the medians. I should have waited another cycle. With a 168/3.4 I would have probably gotten a full ride. FML. We're predicting a 5-10 place drop in the rankings. A 156 25th percentile is a joke.

And FTR they did let in a much bigger 1L class. Before this year the strategy was to let in fewer students as 1Ls but then let in a ton of transfers to get their $$. My class (2015) has about 50 transfers.



Damn dude, I'm sorry.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Dr. Dre » Sat Sep 21, 2013 4:36 pm

UMN is a good school. What happened?




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