C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa

Postby rebexness » Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:39 pm

This cycle is gonna be fantastic. :)

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa

Postby banjo » Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:37 pm

It was common for schools to provide only splits last year. We only had all the medians after the rankings came out in march.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa

Postby RetakeFrenzy » Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:46 pm

banjo wrote:It was common for schools to provide only splits last year. We only had all the medians after the rankings came out in march.


Yes. NYU, Penn, Harvard, and a few others only reported 25/75 percentiles

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa

Postby BigZuck » Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:02 am

RetakeFrenzy wrote:
banjo wrote:It was common for schools to provide only splits last year. We only had all the medians after the rankings came out in march.


Yes. NYU, Penn, Harvard, and a few others only reported 25/75 percentiles


Yeah, I remembered Harvard doing that. Forgot about the others. I just don't get the point.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa

Postby Motivator9 » Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:43 am

BigZuck wrote:
RetakeFrenzy wrote:
banjo wrote:It was common for schools to provide only splits last year. We only had all the medians after the rankings came out in march.


Yes. NYU, Penn, Harvard, and a few others only reported 25/75 percentiles


Yeah, I remembered Harvard doing that. Forgot about the others. I just don't get the point.



I posted a question about Harvard's median this year, and some people were mocking me. I wanted to see the official info on their median, and it wasn't on their website.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby AlanShore » Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:57 am

BC didn't release the median lsat/gpa yesterday during orientation but class size dropped from 245 to 230.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby KD35 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:35 pm

Lewis & Clark is down 37 students for the class? Lol...that's pretty bad.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby 20141023 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 6:52 pm

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby shifty_eyed » Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:01 am

kappycaft1 wrote:That is really interesting that half of the people who will be attending Berkeley for the Class of 2016 had either a 166, 167, 168 or 169 LSAT score. That has got to be one of the smallest 25th~75th spreads of any school, and you can't get any smaller than that in terms of difference between 25th (166) and 50th (167) percentile scores (well, I suppose you could if they were the same number, but you get my point).


Yeah, it usually seems to be that 50th and 75th are closer together, and the 25th lags behind by a few points (like with 163/167/169)

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby RetakeFrenzy » Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:12 pm

shifty_eyed wrote:
kappycaft1 wrote:That is really interesting that half of the people who will be attending Berkeley for the Class of 2016 had either a 166, 167, 168 or 169 LSAT score. That has got to be one of the smallest 25th~75th spreads of any school, and you can't get any smaller than that in terms of difference between 25th (166) and 50th (167) percentile scores (well, I suppose you could if they were the same number, but you get my point).


Yeah, it usually seems to be that 50th and 75th are closer together, and the 25th lags behind by a few points (like with 163/167/169)


The spread is actually identical to that of Cornell's last year. 166-167-169.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby altoid99 » Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:36 pm

Updated with numbers from Florida, Gonzaga, and Memphis, for all those who care. Please post numbers for other schools if/when you have them so I can update further.

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Postby 20141023 » Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:26 pm

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby BigZuck » Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:45 pm

UT is at 322. No word on medians yet

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Lavitz » Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:41 pm

Not much to report from Cornell's orientation.

Class size is supposed to be 197, but Dean Geiger said 2 people hadn't shown up yet, so I suppose that number might change.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Steveloblaw » Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:31 pm

Received a packet from Michigan, which included the following stats about the incoming 2013 class:

Applied: 4,900
Enrolled: 315
Women: 48%
Minorities: 23%
GPA: 3.53/3.72/3.83
LSAT: 165/168/170

Mean Age: 24
75% 1+ years out of Undergrad

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Dr. Dre » Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:09 pm

HOLY SHIET Mich DROPED 1 POINT

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Monochromatic Oeuvre » Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:28 pm

UVA drops 22 students, Michigan drops 29 students, and both of them lose a point.

Your move, Penn.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby longlivetheking » Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:03 pm

Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:UVA drops 22 students, Michigan drops 29 students, and both of them lose a point.

Your move, Penn.


mono you're gonna get slaughtered in the median guessing game.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby esypsylmnsqsy » Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:16 pm

In general are these dropping LSAT medians going to benefit splitters, or do you think it will be a wash because they are still trying to maintain GPA's and reducing class sizes?

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Nova » Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:34 pm

esypsylmnsqsy wrote:In general are these dropping LSAT medians going to benefit splitters, or do you think it will be a wash because they are still trying to maintain GPA's and reducing class sizes?

Less high scoring applicants benefits splitters

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby longlivetheking » Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:36 pm

Nova wrote:
esypsylmnsqsy wrote:In general are these dropping LSAT medians going to benefit splitters, or do you think it will be a wash because they are still trying to maintain GPA's and reducing class sizes?

Less high scoring applicants benefits splitters


should be taken with a pinch of salt. the degree of the 'benefit' is highly debatable.

remember: splitters gonna split

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Monochromatic Oeuvre » Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:55 pm

longlivetheking wrote:
Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:UVA drops 22 students, Michigan drops 29 students, and both of them lose a point.

Your move, Penn.


mono you're gonna get slaughtered in the median guessing game.


My notion was that drops were not going to be as awful as was being predicted because those schools didn't seem particularly desperate for median or above median LSATs. These don't look like results of schools tremendously worried about dropping medians:

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But yeah, I might be last for not going all Chicken Little on the whole thing.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby isuperserial » Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:09 pm

Nova wrote:
esypsylmnsqsy wrote:In general are these dropping LSAT medians going to benefit splitters, or do you think it will be a wash because they are still trying to maintain GPA's and reducing class sizes?

Less high scoring applicants benefits splitters


Less high scoring applicants probably benefits everyone, since it redefines what a "high score" means in relation to the best schools admitting the candidates with the best credentials.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby longlivetheking » Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:11 pm

Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:
longlivetheking wrote:
Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:UVA drops 22 students, Michigan drops 29 students, and both of them lose a point.

Your move, Penn.


mono you're gonna get slaughtered in the median guessing game.


My notion was that drops were not going to be as awful as was being predicted because those schools didn't seem particularly desperate for median or above median LSATs. These don't look like results of schools tremendously worried about dropping medians:

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But yeah, I might be last for not going all Chicken Little on the whole thing.



fair point, i think with synchronized drops in lsat median no dean is gonna get fired. i think, as discussed in the case of virginia, schools are choosing to save some money, instead of splurging on high lsats.

conclusion: if you're paying sticker and have a high lsat and your gpa isn't shit, auto-admit.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Monochromatic Oeuvre » Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:26 pm

Nova wrote:
esypsylmnsqsy wrote:In general are these dropping LSAT medians going to benefit splitters, or do you think it will be a wash because they are still trying to maintain GPA's and reducing class sizes?

Less high scoring applicants benefits splitters


Important distinction: That fact that there are fewer 170+ students benefits splitters, who become a more scarce commodity. However, the fact itself that LSAT medians are declining is harmful to splitters. Suppose you're a 3.5/173 looking to go to UVA. The median drop is certainly a negative thing for you. You are still above the LSAT median and below the GPA median. However, all of the sudden a whole bunch of 169 students with better GPAs than yours now have a median LSAT, and are thus better candidates for admission than you next cycle, when they wouldn't have been last cycle. The great splitter hope was that schools would relax GPA requirements in order to maintain their medians, but three years of data suggest that didn't really happen, with the exception of NU's "absolutely anyone with a 170" policy last cycle.




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