C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby ScottRiqui » Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:02 pm

jingosaur wrote:
jump_man wrote:Hastings just released the numbers:

Class of 2015:
LSAT 75th = 165, Median = 162, 25th = 158
LSAT Range = 141 to 173
GPA 75th = 3.75, Median = 3.59, 25th = 3.29
GPA Range = 2.05 to 4.11
Class Size = 317
Source

Class of 2016:
LSAT 75th = 163 (-2), Median = 159 (-3), 25th = 155 (-3)
LSAT Range = 141 to 173
GPA 75th = 3.69 (-0.06), Median = 3.52 (-0.07), 25th = 3.28 (-0.01)
GPA Range = 2.31 to 4.00
Class Size = 331 (+14)
Source


Hastings boosted its GPA floor from 2.00 to 2.30 and STILL increased class size?!?!?


That 2.05 GPA last year could have been a wild outlier, so the fact that their lowest GPA this year is a 2.31 might not represent a significant shift in the GPAs of their incoming students.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Yukos » Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:13 pm

jump_man wrote:
BigZuck wrote:
jump_man wrote:Hastings just released the numbers:

Class of 2015:
LSAT 75th = 165, Median = 162, 25th = 158
LSAT Range = 141 to 173
GPA 75th = 3.75, Median = 3.59, 25th = 3.29
GPA Range = 2.05 to 4.11
Class Size = 317
Source

Class of 2016:
LSAT 75th = 163 (-2), Median = 159 (-3), 25th = 155 (-3)
LSAT Range = 141 to 173
GPA 75th = 3.69 (-0.06), Median = 3.52 (-0.07), 25th = 3.28 (-0.01)
GPA Range = 2.31 to 4.00
Class Size = 331 (+14)
Source


Take a colossal dive (dump?) and then also raise class size?

Bravo Hastings


I think the increase in class size was necessary to maintain operating expenses. It's crazy to think that Hastings' median LSAT has fallen five points in three years, though not entirely unexpected given the state of things.


What an embarrassment to the UCs. UCH used to be the fourth most respected law school in CA and now they're acting in a way that would make most TTTs blush.

ETA: This is not a shot at anyone going to UCH. It's just frustrating that the administration has continually put maintaining/growing revenue over having a responsible class size, placing students in decent jobs and keeping tuition reasonable.
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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby ManoftheHour » Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:14 pm

Yukos wrote:What an embarrassment to the UCs. UCH used to be the fourth most respected law school in CA and now they're acting in a way that would make most TTTs blush.


Last time I checked, Loyola and Pepperdine had better employment stats.

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Postby californiauser » Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:22 pm

jump_man wrote:Hastings just released the numbers:

Class of 2015:
LSAT 75th = 165, Median = 162, 25th = 158
LSAT Range = 141 to 173
GPA 75th = 3.75, Median = 3.59, 25th = 3.29
GPA Range = 2.05 to 4.11
Class Size = 317
Source

Class of 2016:
LSAT 75th = 163 (-2), Median = 159 (-3), 25th = 155 (-3)
LSAT Range = 141 to 173
GPA 75th = 3.69 (-0.06), Median = 3.52 (-0.07), 25th = 3.28 (-0.01)
GPA Range = 2.31 to 4.00
Class Size = 331 (+14)
Source


Wow. I can't believe they increased class size. That's disheartening.

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Postby Dr. Dre » Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:27 pm

LOL @ BEING SHOCKED THAT THE UC SYSTEM IS BECOMING TTT

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Postby MikeSpivey » Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:35 pm

ScottRiqui wrote: It looks like "Fin$/Stu x 1.5%". So financial aid per student, times a weighting factor of 1.5%?


Thanks, Scott. That makes sense from the USNWR categories. I am still a bit perplexed why Yale would be so above everyone else? Thinking...

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Postby Cicero76 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:56 pm

MikeSpivey wrote:
ScottRiqui wrote: It looks like "Fin$/Stu x 1.5%". So financial aid per student, times a weighting factor of 1.5%?


Thanks, Scott. That makes sense from the USNWR categories. I am still a bit perplexed why Yale would be so above everyone else? Thinking...


Tiny class, massive grants to ~50% of it.

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Postby ScottRiqui » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:18 pm

MikeSpivey wrote:
ScottRiqui wrote: It looks like "Fin$/Stu x 1.5%". So financial aid per student, times a weighting factor of 1.5%?


Thanks, Scott. That makes sense from the USNWR categories. I am still a bit perplexed why Yale would be so above everyone else? Thinking...


I looked through some of Tom Bell's old blog posts, and it does appear to be financial aid per student. In addition to Yale's score being so high, I'm puzzled by the fact that some of the schools have negative score in that category.

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Postby zman » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:52 pm

WoW.. Hastings. They didn't even attempt to defend their medians. I can understand slashing it by one but..

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Postby hephaestus » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:55 pm

zman wrote:WoW.. Hastings. They didn't even attempt to defend their medians. I can understand slashing it by one but..

That's what you get for trying to increase class sizes with unimpressive employment stats. I just wonder what administrators there are thinking long term.

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Postby Dmini7 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:10 pm

That Hastings shift is unbelievable. I don't know how that school can actually support that change. It wasn't even them sacrificing LSAT for GPA, it was a drop all across the board. They literally did not even bother securing any stat. With that said, I feel like a kid with popcorn right now. This is exactly what I have been waiting for and I am excited to see it play out with the other schools( CA's in particular).

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Postby Dmini7 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:39 pm

Pepperdine is up

http://law.pepperdine.edu/admissions/learn-more/facts/

median LSAT=160(-2)
median gpa=3.59(-0.04)
class size=201(-12)

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Postby crestor » Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:49 pm

california legal market is a giant shit show.

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Postby Dmini7 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:57 pm

crestor wrote:california legal market is a giant shit show.


it looks like only Stanford and Berkeley will hold their medians. To be fair though, besides those two I thought only USC would have a chance to hold due to their literally unlimited money. I figured if USC was going to try to jump UCLA in LSAT this would have been the perfect chance for them.

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Postby jbagelboy » Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:04 pm

As a california native Ill come right out and say the -2's at pepperdine and hastings after previous declines are shocking - they totally change the applicant field and expectation (which in turn will unleash a pedagogic nightmare on the institutions themselves via student quality starting with c/o 2015 and finalizing in 2017), but equally importantly, they will crush these schools in the rankings and destroy their local standing, total decay inside and out.

I remember when after my first shit LSAT score I considered applying in 2011, Pepperdine and Hastings were target schools for my numbers, with UCLA as somewhat of a reach. I mean, they were actually competitive. Now? holy shit. Idk. The fact so much can change in 2-3 years in incredible to me. Rarely do academic institutions, esp graduate programs experience such drastic declines and regional phase shifts

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Postby crestor » Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:21 pm

jbagelboy wrote:As a california native Ill come right out and say the -2's at pepperdine and hastings after previous declines are shocking - they totally change the applicant field and expectation (which in turn will unleash a pedagogic nightmare on the institutions themselves via student quality starting with c/o 2015 and finalizing in 2017), but equally importantly, they will crush these schools in the rankings and destroy their local standing, total decay inside and out.

I remember when after my first shit LSAT score I considered applying in 2011, Pepperdine and Hastings were target schools for my numbers, with UCLA as somewhat of a reach. I mean, they were actually competitive. Now? holy shit. Idk. The fact so much can change in 2-3 years in incredible to me. Rarely do academic institutions, esp graduate programs experience such drastic declines and regional phase shifts


as a potential splitter, i am an auto reject at berkeley/stanford. that and as a norcal kid i hate socal and being debt-averse leave me with the options of NOTHING in terms of the state of california.

ucla/usc/davis/hastings/pepperdine all leave you with 200k+ debt and what job prospects? the best LST ranking forthat group of schools is fucking UCLA with only 72 PERCENT. what percentage of jobs within this 72% are big law jobs that are enough to pay back these kids 200K+ in loans? I guarantee you its less than half.. and the funny thing is it's only going to get WORSE. its a big joke how bad employment is for the rest these schools. these students mortgage their whole lives on these predatory loans while the law school professors/administrators laugh their way to the bank. it's like great white sharks preying on the little sea lions. a high number of these kids at these schools that will have 200k+ in loans will NEVER be able to buy a house or whatever else because of being debt-ridden their whole adult lives.

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?r=ca

UCLA: 72%
USC: 69%
UC Davis: 60%
Pepperdine: 45%
UC Hastings: 46%

i have no intention of staying on the titanic that is the legal market in california.

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Postby zman » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:03 pm

crestor wrote:
jbagelboy wrote:As a california native Ill come right out and say the -2's at pepperdine and hastings after previous declines are shocking - they totally change the applicant field and expectation (which in turn will unleash a pedagogic nightmare on the institutions themselves via student quality starting with c/o 2015 and finalizing in 2017), but equally importantly, they will crush these schools in the rankings and destroy their local standing, total decay inside and out.

I remember when after my first shit LSAT score I considered applying in 2011, Pepperdine and Hastings were target schools for my numbers, with UCLA as somewhat of a reach. I mean, they were actually competitive. Now? holy shit. Idk. The fact so much can change in 2-3 years in incredible to me. Rarely do academic institutions, esp graduate programs experience such drastic declines and regional phase shifts


as a potential splitter, i am an auto reject at berkeley/stanford. that and as a norcal kid i hate socal and being debt-averse leave me with the options of NOTHING in terms of the state of california.

ucla/usc/davis/hastings/pepperdine all leave you with 200k+ debt and what job prospects? the best LST ranking forthat group of schools is fucking UCLA with only 72 PERCENT. what percentage of jobs within this 72% are big law jobs that are enough to pay back these kids 200K+ in loans? I guarantee you its less than half.. and the funny thing is it's only going to get WORSE. its a big joke how bad employment is for the rest these schools. these students mortgage their whole lives on these predatory loans while the law school professors/administrators laugh their way to the bank. it's like great white sharks preying on the little sea lions. a high number of these kids at these schools that will have 200k+ in loans will NEVER be able to buy a house or whatever else because of being debt-ridden their whole adult lives.

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?r=ca

UCLA: 72%
USC: 69%
UC Davis: 60%
Pepperdine: 45%
UC Hastings: 46%

i have no intention of staying on the titanic that is the legal market in california.


minus a dozen for ucla and about 5% for others for school employed people, but you won't go to sticker to any of those anymore. They give out major discounts to many. Berkeley isn't that great, look at their median salary.. Wouldn't put them in the Stanford category and they do not give good aid.

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Postby 20141023 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:14 pm

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Postby altoid99 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:18 pm

I realize I haven't updated the OP lately. I'll try to get around to that soon. But the spreadsheet looks pretty great. Btw, I keep deleting Miami's numbers on there because the only released AVERAGE scores, not medians. So don't put average lsat/gpa's as medians. Also, American just released numbers: 3.40, 157, and 476 students :D that's a 6 point drop in median lsat over 3 years for them! Can't believe how they can still be so stingy with $$$

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Postby 20141023 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:26 pm

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Postby wtrc » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:28 pm

altoid99 wrote:I realize I haven't updated the OP lately. I'll try to get around to that soon. But the spreadsheet looks pretty great. Btw, I keep deleting Miami's numbers on there because the only released AVERAGE scores, not medians. So don't put average lsat/gpa's as medians. Also, American just released numbers: 3.40, 157, and 476 students :D that's a 6 point drop in median lsat over 3 years for them! Can't believe how they can still be so stingy with $$$


They just gave up. The number of people transferring out of there (anecdotally, from what I hear from students-- is there a way to verify?) is just epic.

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Postby Tiago Splitter » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:39 pm

wtrcoins3 wrote:
altoid99 wrote:I realize I haven't updated the OP lately. I'll try to get around to that soon. But the spreadsheet looks pretty great. Btw, I keep deleting Miami's numbers on there because the only released AVERAGE scores, not medians. So don't put average lsat/gpa's as medians. Also, American just released numbers: 3.40, 157, and 476 students :D that's a 6 point drop in median lsat over 3 years for them! Can't believe how they can still be so stingy with $$$


They just gave up. The number of people transferring out of there (anecdotally, from what I hear from students-- is there a way to verify?) is just epic.

Last year it was 58 out, but they roped in 48 new idiots.

https://officialguide.lsac.org/Release/ ... aspx?sid=4

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Postby shifty_eyed » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:05 am

altoid99 wrote:I realize I haven't updated the OP lately. I'll try to get around to that soon. But the spreadsheet looks pretty great. Btw, I keep deleting Miami's numbers on there because the only released AVERAGE scores, not medians. So don't put average lsat/gpa's as medians. Also, American just released numbers: 3.40, 157, and 476 students :D that's a 6 point drop in median lsat over 3 years for them! Can't believe how they can still be so stingy with $$$


Going from having median students at the ~88th percentile of LSAT takers to ~70th percentile in 3 years. :shock:

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Postby bizzybone1313 » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:17 am

Has anyone created a thread that shows which, if any, of the respectable schools (T-30ish or so) have lowered tuition costs? Does anyone know? I know a lot of these schools have probably increased scholarship aid to lure in more students, but have any of these schools resorted to actually lowering tuition?




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