Real Madrid wrote:Again, you examined one year - the year when NYU actually performed best relative to Penn, CLS and Chicago with regards to big law, but still underperformed them. In the previous two years the numbers were not as close. So unless you're arguing that "peer groups" of schools should be changed yearly based on a single year's performance, we should be looking at an aggregate of the most recent years.
And with regards to the PI bias: You know what other schools have large percentages of students interested in PI and government? Berkeley, Michigan and Georgetown, and at least with the latter two, those biases have rarely been used as a defense on these forums for their (relatively) poor big law performance. So why the double standard? That bias excuses NYU performing behind its "peers" and is irrelevant when comparing Michigan and GULC to its peers (as we've seen evidenced in this very thread)?
... I removed some of the "noise" from the charts linked above in a new Google doc to better visualize the relevant data.
As you can see, NYU isn't really behind its peers at all (it is actually ahead of UChicago and a little bit behind Columbia) once PI is included, whereas UMich is way below its peer schools (Berkeley, Virginia & Penn) as well as schools ranked below it (Duke & Cornell) even if we add in the PI. GULC, as you will notice, is in limbo between the rest of the T14 and the T18 schools.
So for UVA, you've got ~10% in public interest, which corresponds to the 36/364 reported by UVA as working in PI. But these include 55 Powell or Kennedy "fellows" (i.e. school-funded jobs). At the same time you exclude the "business" category, which for Northwestern leaves out 6.5% of the class who are Kellogg JD-MBA's and chose legit business jobs over law jobs.
Ultimately, it's too easy to play games with categories that aren't firms + federal clerkships. Leaving out PI might artificially hurt NYU and Michigan a bit, but at the same time it keeps UVA from getting away with its shenanigans, which is more important.