C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby BigZuck » Wed Sep 04, 2013 11:50 pm

I wonder if all the pro-Penn trolling on this site pushed people there instead of the rest of MVPB and maybe even over some kids who might have gone to NYU or Dat Rigor and that's why they (presumably) kept the 170?

I think TLS has a decently strong influence. In USC's "Please tell us why you didn't go here" survey they specifically asked if TLS was a site that we visited for information. I thought that was interesting.

Also Penn is an unabashed yield protector.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Clearly » Wed Sep 04, 2013 11:52 pm

kappycaft1 wrote:
nucky thompson wrote:Ranking is important only to the extent higher ranking likely = more money

Yes... but "more money" doesn't necessarily imply "more students." Over the past several years, schools have been increasing tuition at rates way above the national inflation rate (which has been around 2~3%); sometimes the jump in tuition has been as high as 9% (or more). Accordingly, if we were to assume that the average increase in tuition is 5% and that the annual inflation rate is 2%, then that means that schools get to profit from the difference (3%). Consequently, a school with a class size of 200 could reduce its class size by 5 students while raising tuition by 5% and still make money (calculated for inflation) off the deal.

Instead, some schools are raising tuition while increasing class size (by a lot) in a struggling market where a lot of their grads won't find jobs.

***I was just looking up the numbers for Berkeley... Has their tuition actually gone down this year by $10.50? According to the most recent ABA Official Guide on LSAC, last year's tuition was $48,068.00 for residents and $52,019.00 for non-residents; however, Berkeley's website shows this year's tuition being $48,057.50 for residents $52,008.50 for non-residents. :?:

sasquatchsam wrote:Just read the press release from the school and thought it was interesting that applications actually increased at Idaho by over 13% from last year. They noted that only 3 schools experienced a 10%+ increase. This seems kind of strange to me but I guess that 15k in-state tuition makes it a decent option for a lot of people only about half of the people that decide to sacrifice 3 years of their lives for a 50% chance at decent employment.

FTFY :wink:

To be fair, and I'm all for hating expensive law schools, other things go into increased tuition and increased costs of running a law school beyond inflation. Theres a lot of variables: inflation, pension plans, insurance costs, recruiting, payroll considerations etc.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby 20141023 » Wed Sep 04, 2013 11:53 pm

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby longlivetheking » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:25 am

BigZuck wrote:I wonder if all the pro-Penn trolling on this site pushed people there instead of the rest of MVPB and maybe even over some kids who might have gone to NYU or Dat Rigor and that's why they (presumably) kept the 170?

I think TLS has a decently strong influence. In USC's "Please tell us why you didn't go here" survey they specifically asked if TLS was a site that we visited for information. I thought that was interesting.

Also Penn is an unabashed yield protector.


FUCKING LOL'ED.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Dmini7 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:40 am

Applications Submitted 858 (UNLV)

I kind of wish I was one of those 858. I would've felt special. Is that typical for UNLV? less than 1,000 applicants?

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby 052220151 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:15 am

If this cycle lowers those numbers again I will be stoked. high 160s look like they can get some money out of T14 now. Very exciting.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby bouleversement » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:03 pm

Isn't it a little premature to assume Penn held the 170?

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby 04102014 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:09 pm

bouleversement wrote:Isn't it a little premature to assume Penn held the 170?

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby jingosaur » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:29 pm

ohpobrecito wrote:
bouleversement wrote:Isn't it a little premature to assume Penn held the 170?


169 isn't between 164 and 171, is it?

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby 04102014 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:42 pm

Little bit of conflicting info between their flyer and the class of 2016 profile that was posted today (different 25th).

https://www.law.upenn.edu/admissions/jd ... rofile.php

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby bouleversement » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:54 pm

ohpobrecito wrote:Little bit of conflicting info between their flyer and the class of 2016 profile that was posted today (different 25th).

https://www.law.upenn.edu/admissions/jd ... rofile.php


"Official data will be verified by LSAC in late fall 2013."

So we don't have to wait until USNWR? Didn't Spivey mention something about the ABA and October?

ETA: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=190807&start=950#p5962559
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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Tiago Splitter » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:56 pm

If Penn did get a 75th of 171 it's very likely that they got a median of 170.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Humbert Humbert » Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:20 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:If Penn did get a 75th of 171 it's very likely that they got a median of 170.


Why?

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Tiago Splitter » Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:22 pm

Humbert Humbert wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:If Penn did get a 75th of 171 it's very likely that they got a median of 170.


Why?

Small class size. Don't need very many 170's and 171's to pull it off. Most of the median gamers like Penn have the median either identical to the 75th or one point below.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby longlivetheking » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:28 pm

holy shit penn increased its 25th LSAT?

penn's killing it in rankings + employment

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby t-14orbust » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:06 pm

kingpin101 wrote:http://law.harvard.edu/prospective/jd/apply/classprofile.html

Harvard is up.


Wow, rock solid 25/75s.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby bouleversement » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:11 pm

Ridiculous they make us wait for the medians.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby ManoftheHour » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:14 pm

longlivetheking wrote:holy shit penn increased its 25th LSAT?

penn's killing it in rankings + employment


HYS
CCNP
MVB
DNC
G

I feel like it's been like this for the past few years. Why do most TLSers refuse to believe in CCNP? Just look at dat Biglaw + clerkship.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby bouleversement » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:19 pm

t-14orbust wrote:
kingpin101 wrote:http://law.harvard.edu/prospective/jd/apply/classprofile.html

Harvard is up.


Wow, rock solid 25/75s.


Perhaps talk about sacrificing the GPA in order to maintain the 173 was also premature...

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby californiauser » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:21 pm

ManoftheHour wrote:
longlivetheking wrote:holy shit penn increased its 25th LSAT?

penn's killing it in rankings + employment


HYS
CCNP
MVB
DNC
G

I feel like it's been like this for the past few years. Why do most TLSers refuse to believe in CCNP? Just look at dat Biglaw + clerkship.


This the year it becomes official :lol:

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby 20141023 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:23 pm

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby 04102014 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:35 pm

ManoftheHour wrote:
longlivetheking wrote:holy shit penn increased its 25th LSAT?

penn's killing it in rankings + employment


HYS
CCNP
MVB
DNC
G

I feel like it's been like this for the past few years. Why do most TLSers refuse to believe in CCNP? Just look at dat Biglaw + clerkship.


Well, while we're making changes (based on BigLaw+clerkship):

HYS
CCNP
DVB
MNC


G

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Real Madrid » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:39 pm

ManoftheHour wrote:
longlivetheking wrote:holy shit penn increased its 25th LSAT?

penn's killing it in rankings + employment


HYS
CCNP
MVB
DNC
G

I feel like it's been like this for the past few years. Why do most TLSers refuse to believe in CCNP? Just look at dat Biglaw + clerkship.


Because T6 refers to admissions only. Not employment. Otherwise NYU wouldn't be listed with Columbia and Chicago.




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