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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby christobel » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:09 pm

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Tiago Splitter » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:11 pm

christobel wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Gtown is:
168 (-1!)
3.75 (+.02)
http://www.georgetown.edu/president/mes ... -2013.html


Hm, the article says "an average LSAT of 168", did they mean median or is it possible that the median is lower?

Given the numbers-gaming they do I doubt the median is lower than the average.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby RetakeFrenzy » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:12 pm

christobel wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Gtown is:
168 (-1!)
3.75 (+.02)
http://www.georgetown.edu/president/mes ... -2013.html


Hm, the article says "an average LSAT of 168", did they mean median or is it possible that the median is lower?


I was wondering about the same thing... The President keeps mentioning averages...(for both LSAT and GPA)

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby danquayle » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:16 pm

crestor wrote:
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) wrote:
crestor wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Miami Medians (no class size)
157 (same)
3.38 (+.03)
http://www.law.miami.edu/prospective-st ... ctions.php


Wow

Their class size is obscenely huge. Even if it dropped by 20% to keep their medians, they'd still be sending out about 250 more grads into South Florida than the market can bear.


What befuddles me about UM having the largest class size out of UF FSU AND UM is that if you are instate, UF and FSU are significantly cheaper both in terms of tuition and cost of living, much higher ranked, have better employment outcomes, and have smaller classes which means less competition among peers once in the legal market. The median lsat is 160 for uf this year. FSU was 160 last year and it very likely went down.. 162-164 is very likely their 75. Hit that and you are in at both unless you royally screwed around in undergrad (2.____ gpa.) You have to love the arrogance of our millennial generation thinking they will all be top 5 in their class at UM and hit big law miami.


I dunno about arrogance, but being in your target city does convey some advantage. I can understand wanting to make inroads into your target, especially when you consider some people might be local to Miami.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby KevinP » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:37 pm

christobel wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Gtown is:
168 (-1!)
3.75 (+.02)
http://www.georgetown.edu/president/mes ... -2013.html


Hm, the article says "an average LSAT of 168", did they mean median or is it possible that the median is lower?

Pretty sure it's referring to the median LSAT/GPA. Georgetown accepts a good number of low GPA splitters who would drag down the average (mean) significantly, which would make the 3.75 GPA extremely unlikely.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby crestor » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:49 pm

KevinP wrote:
christobel wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Gtown is:
168 (-1!)
3.75 (+.02)
http://www.georgetown.edu/president/mes ... -2013.html


Hm, the article says "an average LSAT of 168", did they mean median or is it possible that the median is lower?

Pretty sure it's referring to the median LSAT/GPA. Georgetown accepts a good number of low GPA splitters who would drag down the average (mean) significantly, which would make the 3.75 GPA extremely unlikely.


why wouldn't they just say median then? what's with the sudden change??? there has to be some underlying motive..

http://www.law.georgetown.edu/admission ... eneral.cfm

"Stats, Facts & More

What are the medians?

For the 2012 entering class, the median GPA was 3.72 and the median LSAT was 169. The 75th and 25th percentiles for GPA were 3.82 and 3.43 respectively. The 75th and 25th percentiles for LSAT were 170 and 165 respectively. "

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Lavitz » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:10 pm

I can confirm that a memo was sent to Cornell faculty on 8/30, describing the "preliminary medians" as 167 and 3.66.

It also says that there are 195 entering students, which is two less than what Dean Geiger reported at orientation.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby ManoftheHour » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:19 pm

I find this thread to be extremely motivating. I can't wait to destroy the December LSAT. Back to studying.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby RetakeFrenzy » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:33 pm

Lavitz wrote:I can confirm that a memo was sent to Cornell faculty on 8/30, describing the "preliminary medians" as 167 and 3.66.

It also says that there are 195 entering students, which is two less than what Dean Geiger reported at orientation.


Oh yes, the one student I mentioned actually deferred so will not be joining us this year.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby 04102014 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:09 pm

RetakeFrenzy wrote:
Lavitz wrote:I can confirm that a memo was sent to Cornell faculty on 8/30, describing the "preliminary medians" as 167 and 3.66.

It also says that there are 195 entering students, which is two less than what Dean Geiger reported at orientation.


Oh yes, the one student I mentioned actually deferred so will not be joining us this year.


I wish Cornell would whore themselves off a little more for GPA. That would benefit me.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby longlivetheking » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:03 pm

how dafuq did georgetown only drop by 1??????

guys, WHERE IS THIS EPICNESS/MASSACRE

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby zman » Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:34 pm

Dmini7 wrote:
radar714 wrote:at USC orientation they told us C/O 2016 has 3.70/166 medians, no 25ths/75ths tho

edit: also class size of 176



The way USC was throwing around money I am surprised they weren't able to hold their median with a drop in class size.


They were rejecting high GPA 166 LSATs meaning they were confident they would maintain the 167 but at the end schools like Berkeley and other t-14 poached a lot of their 167 late in the cycle. They should have been accepting pretty much all of the 166s above 3.8 and at minimum 3.7 instead they waitlisted and lost most of those.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby altoid99 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:11 pm

Huskies13! wrote:Miami Medians (no class size)
157 (same)
3.38 (+.03)
http://www.law.miami.edu/prospective-st ... ctions.php


A 157 median would actually represent a 1 point gain for Miami. However, their website reports "average" LSAT and GPA. They also did this last year apparently if you check the class profile page. Their average LSAT last year was a 157, while their median turned out to be 156. Maybe it's the same for this year?

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Tiago Splitter » Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:24 am

christobel wrote:
altoid99 wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Miami Medians (no class size)
157 (same)
3.38 (+.03)
http://www.law.miami.edu/prospective-st ... ctions.php


A 157 median would actually represent a 1 point gain for Miami. However, their website reports "average" LSAT and GPA. They also did this last year apparently if you check the class profile page. Their average LSAT last year was a 157, while their median turned out to be 156. Maybe it's the same for this year?


Yeah? Maybe Georgetown did drop to a 167

How? It makes zero sense. GULC routinely enrolls people with sub-160 LSAT scores. They aren't balancing those out with dozens of 180s.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby KevinP » Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:33 am

crestor wrote:
why wouldn't they just say median then? what's with the sudden change??? there has to be some underlying motive..

http://www.law.georgetown.edu/admission ... eneral.cfm

"Stats, Facts & More

What are the medians?

For the 2012 entering class, the median GPA was 3.72 and the median LSAT was 169. The 75th and 25th percentiles for GPA were 3.82 and 3.43 respectively. The 75th and 25th percentiles for LSAT were 170 and 165 respectively. "


I think probably just an error. Posting averages for schools like Georgetown will almost certainly yield lower numbers than medians. It could very well be the averages, but I doubt it.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby KevinP » Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:36 am

Tiago Splitter wrote:
christobel wrote:
altoid99 wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Miami Medians (no class size)
157 (same)
3.38 (+.03)
http://www.law.miami.edu/prospective-st ... ctions.php


A 157 median would actually represent a 1 point gain for Miami. However, their website reports "average" LSAT and GPA. They also did this last year apparently if you check the class profile page. Their average LSAT last year was a 157, while their median turned out to be 156. Maybe it's the same for this year?


Yeah? Maybe Georgetown did drop to a 167

How? It makes zero sense. GULC routinely enrolls people with sub-160 LSAT scores. They aren't balancing those out with dozens of 180s.


Just like they routinely enroll sub 3.5 GPAs, but aren't balancing them out with 4.0s.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby ManoftheHour » Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:43 am

Why do they go by median rather than mean? It's not like there's going to be some crazy outliers jacking up the stats to make the data misleading.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Clearly » Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:51 am

ManoftheHour wrote:Why do they go by median rather than mean?

Because median is a more accurate representation on whats important. Outliers have no effect on medians while they could completely change the picture under an average system, in a way that isn't particularly important. Each 180 or 150 would shift the average disproportionately higher than what is meaningful (which is just one kid got in). Trust me, as a splitter, I wish they would use averages, but it makes sense why they don't.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Yukos » Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:10 am

Clearly wrote:
ManoftheHour wrote:Why do they go by median rather than mean?

Because median is a more accurate representation on whats important. Outliers have no effect on medians while they could completely change the picture under an average system, in a way that isn't particularly important. Each 180 or 150 would shift the average disproportionately higher than what is meaningful (which is just one kid got in). Trust me, as a splitter, I wish they would use averages, but it makes sense why they don't.


+1, medians also allow them to have a little leeway once you get away from the median itself. You can accept some people way below median who are URMs or have amazing life experiences because you know it will only hit you a little. If they averaged it's possible they'd even be less holistic than they are now.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Clearly » Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:50 am

Yukos wrote:
Clearly wrote:
ManoftheHour wrote:Why do they go by median rather than mean?

Because median is a more accurate representation on whats important. Outliers have no effect on medians while they could completely change the picture under an average system, in a way that isn't particularly important. Each 180 or 150 would shift the average disproportionately higher than what is meaningful (which is just one kid got in). Trust me, as a splitter, I wish they would use averages, but it makes sense why they don't.


+1, medians also allow them to have a little leeway once you get away from the median itself. You can accept some people way below median who are URMs or have amazing life experiences because you know it will only hit you a little. If they averaged it's possible they'd even be less holistic than they are now.

Well said

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby ManoftheHour » Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:27 pm

Yukos wrote:
Clearly wrote:
ManoftheHour wrote:Why do they go by median rather than mean?

Because median is a more accurate representation on whats important. Outliers have no effect on medians while they could completely change the picture under an average system, in a way that isn't particularly important. Each 180 or 150 would shift the average disproportionately higher than what is meaningful (which is just one kid got in). Trust me, as a splitter, I wish they would use averages, but it makes sense why they don't.


+1, medians also allow them to have a little leeway once you get away from the median itself. You can accept some people way below median who are URMs or have amazing life experiences because you know it will only hit you a little. If they averaged it's possible they'd even be less holistic than they are now.


I see. Makes sense.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby altoid99 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 6:23 pm

USC and UNC are up.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby itachiuchiha » Tue Sep 03, 2013 6:51 pm

i wonder what UNC's 25th is for lsat

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby altoid99 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 6:53 pm

itachiuchiha wrote:i wonder what UNC's 25th is for lsat


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http://www.law.unc.edu/documents/admissions/unc_factsheet13-14.pdf




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