C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby jingosaur » Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:18 pm

I was just discussing this, but for the 2013-2014 cycle there will probably be between 50,000 and 58,000 applicants. Compare that to the 44,000 or so people who GRADUATE from law school each year and it looks like some schools will have to take anyone who applies. I'm assuming at this point that TTTT admissions only reject people when their applications are so incomplete that the school would risk losing accreditation if accepted (i.e. no LSAT score, no college, etc.).

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Postby Monochromatic Oeuvre » Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:07 pm

jingosaur wrote:I was just discussing this, but for the 2013-2014 cycle there will probably be between 50,000 and 58,000 applicants. Compare that to the 44,000 or so people who GRADUATE from law school each year and it looks like some schools will have to take anyone who applies. I'm assuming at this point that TTTT admissions only reject people when their applications are so incomplete that the school would risk losing accreditation if accepted (i.e. no LSAT score, no college, etc.).


Well, certainly graduation numbers are going to decrease, and certainly no school is obligated to take anyone who applies. No school has an acceptance rate of 100%, though many TTTT acceptance rates are climbing and Cooley is at 80% or so.

Campos has a good post on the "open enrollment" nature of law school nowadays. The only real reason for a TTTT to reject someone is a) They create some kind of liability, probably due to a serious criminal record, or b) They are so bad at legal skills that it is virtually impossible that they will ever pass the bar (and you have to keep BPR above 80 percent within a two-year period to stay accredited). The ranking game has done a good job of making sure standards stay high in those schools with something to gain by it. But for those schools whose standards are so low that they have no hope of being ranked (and thus no incentive to reject anyone with awful numbers), it makes more sense to just let as many people in as possible.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Finnpower » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:21 pm

jingosaur wrote:I was just discussing this, but for the 2013-2014 cycle there will probably be between 50,000 and 58,000 applicants. Compare that to the 44,000 or so people who GRADUATE from law school each year and it looks like some schools will have to take anyone who applies. I'm assuming at this point that TTTT admissions only reject people when their applications are so incomplete that the school would risk losing accreditation if accepted (i.e. no LSAT score, no college, etc.).


If this cycle is like last year than the number of people who talk themselves into taking the October LSAT should be pretty predictive of how the cycle goes. Last year June had a drop of around 5% but October dropped 16%. This year, June dropped 4.9% so maybe we will be closer to that 50,000 number, which obviously will be a disaster for a lot of schools because they still have all that tuition from the huge classes before them.

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Postby ManoftheHour » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:07 pm

KevinP wrote:UC Davis: 162 (-1); 3.55 (-.05); 143 (-46)

Medians:
http://www.law.ucdavis.edu/news/news.aspx?id=4476

Class size:
http://www.law.ucdavis.edu/blogs/Deans/ ... -2013.html


Holy crap. -43 AND a drop in both LSAT and GPA. I hope they throw a full ride at me after December this cycle.

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Postby hephaestus » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:09 pm

ManoftheHour wrote:
KevinP wrote:UC Davis: 162 (-1); 3.55 (-.05); 143 (-46)

Medians:
http://www.law.ucdavis.edu/news/news.aspx?id=4476

Class size:
http://www.law.ucdavis.edu/blogs/Deans/ ... -2013.html


Holy crap. -43 AND a drop in both LSAT and GPA. I hope they throw a full ride at me after December this cycle.

Yeah their class size was just decimated.

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Postby Yukos » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:25 pm

ImNoScar wrote:
ManoftheHour wrote:
KevinP wrote:UC Davis: 162 (-1); 3.55 (-.05); 143 (-46)

Medians:
http://www.law.ucdavis.edu/news/news.aspx?id=4476

Class size:
http://www.law.ucdavis.edu/blogs/Deans/ ... -2013.html


Holy crap. -43 AND a drop in both LSAT and GPA. I hope they throw a full ride at me after December this cycle.

Yeah their class size was just decimated.


Triple decimated.

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Postby indo » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:27 pm

Yukos wrote:
ImNoScar wrote:
ManoftheHour wrote:
KevinP wrote:UC Davis: 162 (-1); 3.55 (-.05); 143 (-46)

Medians:
http://www.law.ucdavis.edu/news/news.aspx?id=4476

Class size:
http://www.law.ucdavis.edu/blogs/Deans/ ... -2013.html


Holy crap. -43 AND a drop in both LSAT and GPA. I hope they throw a full ride at me after December this cycle.

Yeah their class size was just decimated.


Triple decimated.


+1 absolutely correct.

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Postby UVAIce » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:44 pm

Thought you guys would be interested in this.

UVA Law Class of 2016

GPA: 3.53-3.87-3.94 LSAT: 164-169-170

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Postby altoid99 » Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:15 pm

UVAIce wrote:Thought you guys would be interested in this.

UVA Law Class of 2016

GPA: 3.53-3.87-3.94 LSAT: 164-169-170


Old, old, oooold news.

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Postby Clearly » Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:38 am

UVAIce wrote:Thought you guys would be interested in this.

UVA Law Class of 2016

GPA: 3.53-3.87-3.94 LSAT: 164-169-170

Good thing they dinged me :|

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby altoid99 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:39 am

Northeastern, Houston, and UC Davis are up.

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Postby Dmini7 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:47 am

I am sort of surprised northeastern was able to hold their stats while increasing their class size. I don't know enough about the east coast to say why i think this was, but I would have assumed they would be out competed by alot of schools like BU/BC(although their applicant pool probably doesn't overlap) I guess their numbers for students wanting Boston were lower than the higher schools would accept so they would be able to hold their score in their niche field.

86) Northeastern: 161 (0); 3.53 (+.01); 187 (+19)

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Postby 04102014 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:10 pm

Dmini7 wrote:I am sort of surprised northeastern was able to hold their stats while increasing their class size. I don't know enough about the east coast to say why i think this was, but I would have assumed they would be out competed by alot of schools like BU/BC(although their applicant pool probably doesn't overlap) I guess their numbers for students wanting Boston were lower than the higher schools would accept so they would be able to hold their score in their niche field.

86) Northeastern: 161 (0); 3.53 (+.01); 187 (+19)


Northeastern has traditionally been very stingy, but this past cycle they threw around mad dollars.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby radar714 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:36 pm

at USC orientation they told us C/O 2016 has 3.70/166 medians, no 25ths/75ths tho

edit: also class size of 176

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Postby Huskies13! » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:25 pm

Colorado is up 20% in enrolls--to 184! Not sure about medians.

http://www.colorado.edu/law/2013/08/29/ ... class-2016

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Postby Dmini7 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:57 pm

radar714 wrote:at USC orientation they told us C/O 2016 has 3.70/166 medians, no 25ths/75ths tho

edit: also class size of 176



The way USC was throwing around money I am surprised they weren't able to hold their median with a drop in class size.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby snagglepuss » Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:19 pm

Huskies13! wrote:Colorado is up 20% in enrolls--to 184! Not sure about medians.

http://www.colorado.edu/law/2013/08/29/ ... class-2016


I've got a hunch that Colorado and Washington will see new highs in enrollment numbers and the rankings this year.

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Postby wwwcol » Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:26 pm

Is hs class size 562 or 572?

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Huskies13! » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:31 pm

Miami Medians (no class size)
157 (same)
3.38 (+.03)
http://www.law.miami.edu/prospective-st ... ctions.php

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Postby crestor » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:41 pm

Huskies13! wrote:Miami Medians (no class size)
157 (same)
3.38 (+.03)
http://www.law.miami.edu/prospective-st ... ctions.php


Wow

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Postby FKASunny » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:47 pm

crestor wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Miami Medians (no class size)
157 (same)
3.38 (+.03)
http://www.law.miami.edu/prospective-st ... ctions.php


Wow

Their class size is obscenely huge. Even if it dropped by 20% to keep their medians, they'd still be sending out about 250 more grads into South Florida than the market can bear.

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ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) wrote:
crestor wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Miami Medians (no class size)
157 (same)
3.38 (+.03)
http://www.law.miami.edu/prospective-st ... ctions.php


Wow

Their class size is obscenely huge. Even if it dropped by 20% to keep their medians, they'd still be sending out about 250 more grads into South Florida than the market can bear.


What befuddles me about UM having the largest class size out of UF FSU AND UM is that if you are instate, UF and FSU are significantly cheaper both in terms of tuition and cost of living, much higher ranked, have better employment outcomes, and have smaller classes which means less competition among peers once in the legal market. The median lsat is 160 for uf this year. FSU was 160 last year and it very likely went down.. 162-164 is very likely their 75. Hit that and you are in at both unless you royally screwed around in undergrad (2.____ gpa.) You have to love the arrogance of our millennial generation thinking they will all be top 5 in their class at UM and hit big law miami.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby itachiuchiha » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:07 pm

ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) wrote:
crestor wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Miami Medians (no class size)
157 (same)
3.38 (+.03)
http://www.law.miami.edu/prospective-st ... ctions.php


Wow

Their class size is obscenely huge. Even if it dropped by 20% to keep their medians, they'd still be sending out about 250 more grads into South Florida than the market can bear.


that added to NSU and FIU even puts more of a burden on the market




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