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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby jk148706 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:40 pm

jbagelboy wrote:There are plenty of people with 166 and lower at HYSCC doing fine (presumably) in competition with their peers. There are people on this site with below 166 at Columbia and Stanford (wont call anyone out but they are there and can respond) and I doubt they feel like it wasnt worth going to law school. I doubt kappycaft1 is regretting his decision to attend UChicago - that is, more than any of us regret the hell that will be law school in mid November - but objectively, why should he or any of the stellar "166" candidates out there?

The reasoning compelling one to dismiss a 166 out of hand is absurd. I can't believe so many tag along with it ITT. I have long stood for retaking depending on your goals, but this is a 92-93%ile score, and the 166 students at Yale (yes, even lower they exist) or the full 25%+ of UChicago entering class with a 166 and below, would just be laughing derisively (or crying pitifully) at this


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Postby Winston1984 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:55 pm

Why is it that GW and WUSTL keep having numbers put up then taken down in the google doc?

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Postby jk148706 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:10 pm

Winston1984 wrote:Why is it that GW and WUSTL keep having numbers put up then taken down in the google doc?


I have yet to see a source for GW numbers.

Haven't seen one for ND either actually

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Postby DoveBodyWash » Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:43 pm

jk148706 wrote:
Winston1984 wrote:Why is it that GW and WUSTL keep having numbers put up then taken down in the google doc?


I have yet to see a source for GW numbers.

Haven't seen one for ND either actually

WUSTL hasn't officially released numbers yet. I think people in the school know unofficially that it's 166 though, but not verified.

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Postby jk148706 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:45 pm

cusenation wrote:
jk148706 wrote:
Winston1984 wrote:Why is it that GW and WUSTL keep having numbers put up then taken down in the google doc?


I have yet to see a source for GW numbers.

Haven't seen one for ND either actually

WUSTL hasn't officially released numbers yet. I think people in the school know unofficially that it's 166 though, but not verified.


Wondering about where GW numbers are coming from. I know the student paper mentioned the average lsat, but idk if there is anything on median.

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Postby Winston1984 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 11:34 pm

It seems likely WUSTL kept the median with all of the $$$ thrown around. I just have no idea or predictions about GW.

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Postby JCougar » Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:46 am

cotiger wrote:I don't know that I trust their school newspaper to make that distinction. I bet they're referring to medians.


I second this. Schools simply don't release averages. There's no reason for GW to release averages to anyone. I'll bet any money it's their medians and the student newspaper just confused that with "averages."

Furthermore, their late-cycle waitlist activity on LSN suggests they were going for a 165 median.

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Postby hephaestus » Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:46 am

sublime wrote:
jbagelboy wrote:There are plenty of people with 166 and lower at HYSCC doing fine (presumably) in competition with their peers. There are people on this site with below 166 at Columbia and Stanford (wont call anyone out but they are there and can respond) and I doubt they feel like it wasnt worth going to law school. I doubt kappycaft1 is regretting his decision to attend UChicago - that is, more than any of us regret the hell that will be law school in mid November - but objectively, why should he or any of the stellar "166" candidates out there?

The reasoning compelling one to dismiss a 166 out of hand is absurd. I can't believe so many tag along with it ITT. I have long stood for retaking depending on your goals, but this is a 92-93%ile score, and the 166 students at Yale (yes, even lower they exist) or the full 25%+ of UChicago entering class with a 166 and below, would just be laughing derisively (or crying pitifully) at this



Agreed completely. Although I do think it is mostly a strawman argument that TLS says HYS or HYSCCN or T14 or don't go. Most posters seem to recommend going when it makes sense, and much of the reputation of TLS, is because it tries to act as a counterbalance to the bullshit schools put out. All imho obviously.

I agree with this. And I was not saying that a 166 was a bad score or made it not worth going to any school. Last cycle, that could have gotten you significant $$$ at WUSTL, USC, and other schools that can be great choices at the right cost. I think the biggest problem with the argument was that the percentile score somehow automatically makes a 166 a great score, without taking into account GPA or money received (it can be with the right combination, obviously). Admittably, I thought the same thing before finding TLS. I got a 164 my first take and didn't understand why the TLS community thought that was a retake worthy score. However, I had a mediocre GPA and realized that the only way law school would reach a good balance of placement/cost was to retake. What percentile a score is should not be a relevant consideration.

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby Steveloblaw » Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:17 am

A 166 scorer is currently top of the class of 2015 at Northwestern, for what that's worth

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Postby jk148706 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:44 pm

I see WUSTL numbers are back on the spread sheet

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Postby cannibal ox » Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:52 pm

But this time it has 25th/75th numbers, so maybe it's legit. Though I can't find those numbers on the website..

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Postby kobe1020 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:37 pm

can somebody confirm 163 median for Notre Damn? Is that really or just a joke?

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Postby 04102014 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:38 pm

I have no problem with people deleting unconfirmed numbers. Just sayin'.

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Postby Nova » Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:53 pm

A-Modest-Proposal wrote:Just got Notre Dame's Class Profile from my school's Law School Fair. It's not pretty.

Median GPA: 3.60
Median LSAT: 163
LSAT Range: 160-165

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Postby jk148706 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 3:23 pm

ohpobrecito wrote:I have no problem with people deleting unconfirmed numbers. Just sayin'.


Same here. It's not that I don't believe the numbers. Just trying to get them confirmed.

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Postby TheJanitor6203 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 3:37 pm

I think whoever reported GW #'s as 165 was right. http://www.law.gwu.edu/Admissions/JD/Pages/Profile.aspx
I know it says entering class for Fall 2012 but those are not the numbers for that class so I believe they mean 2013.

ETA: They increased their class size by almost 100!

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Postby jk148706 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 3:43 pm

TheJanitor6203 wrote:I think whoever reported GW #'s as 165 was right. http://www.law.gwu.edu/Admissions/JD/Pages/Profile.aspx
I know it says entering class for Fall 2012 but those are not the numbers for that class so I believe they mean 2013.

ETA: They increased their class size by almost 100!


Yep. I think you're right. That's good enough for the spreadsheet IMHO

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Postby TheJanitor6203 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 3:56 pm

Looks like Georgia State updated their numbers as well. 159/3.42
It doesn't specify for what class they are talking about but according to the google doc they had a 159/3.38 last year.
http://law.gsu.edu/admissions/3196.html

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Postby francesfarmer » Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:22 pm

jk148706 wrote:
TheJanitor6203 wrote:I think whoever reported GW #'s as 165 was right. http://www.law.gwu.edu/Admissions/JD/Pages/Profile.aspx
I know it says entering class for Fall 2012 but those are not the numbers for that class so I believe they mean 2013.

ETA: They increased their class size by almost 100!


Yep. I think you're right. That's good enough for the spreadsheet IMHO

Ugh, terrible.

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Postby jk148706 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:29 pm

francesfarmer wrote:
jk148706 wrote:
TheJanitor6203 wrote:I think whoever reported GW #'s as 165 was right. http://www.law.gwu.edu/Admissions/JD/Pages/Profile.aspx
I know it says entering class for Fall 2012 but those are not the numbers for that class so I believe they mean 2013.

ETA: They increased their class size by almost 100!


Yep. I think you're right. That's good enough for the spreadsheet IMHO

Ugh, terrible.


Why terrible?

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Postby WokeUpInACar » Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:39 pm

jk148706 wrote:Why terrible?

Because they clearly don't give a shit if their graduates ever get employed as lawyers. Raising their class size by that much is a blatant fuck you to the already 40% of their students who can't get full time legal work.

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Postby jk148706 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:43 pm

WokeUpInACar wrote:
jk148706 wrote:Why terrible?

Because they clearly don't give a shit if their graduates ever get employed as lawyers. Raising their class size by that much is a blatant fuck you to the already 40% of their students who can't get full time legal work.


But LST says..

LST wrote: 81% of graduates were known to be employed in long-term, full-time legal jobs


I know 20 percent are school jobs though. And yeah I do agree that increasing class size is a bad move. Just was confirming that's what the "terrible" comment alluded to.

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Postby TheJanitor6203 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:44 pm

WokeUpInACar wrote:
jk148706 wrote:Why terrible?

Because they clearly don't give a shit if their graduates ever get employed as lawyers. Raising their class size by that much is a blatant fuck you to the already 40% of their students who can't get full time legal work.


Not sure where you got 40% from. According to LST it's only 7%.
http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=gw

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Re: C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size

Postby WokeUpInACar » Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:47 pm

Employment score: 80.9% - 20.7% school funded jobs= 60.2%




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