cotiger wrote:jbagelboy wrote:cotiger wrote:rebexness wrote:That 100k business is ridiculously untrue.
Why do you say that? Looking at LSN, they gave 170s (NOT 170+s), with a 3.4+ GPA money 67% of the time at an average of 110k. And that's on the 92% (24 total, so not a super small sample) that they let in, another T14 high.
Compare that to Penn, which at 170 and 3.8+ only gave money to 50% at an average of 50k. And that's on top of only letting 77% (20) in. That's a significant difference. So even when you adjust for the difference in tier of schools (ie Penn keeping it classy on the GPA front), NU was still much more aggressive trying to keep that 170.
Is there something I'm missing?
I had a 172 and I got less that $100K total from Northwestern (rec'd $90K). So the claim that all 170's were getting scholarships higher than mine doesnt compute. Its also not representative of the cycle itself, because I was there in the thread watching results and negotiations come in. There were plenty of 170s and 171s getting $30K and $60K total grants
I didn't say all got it, just most (67%). And the 110k is an average, so for sure not everyone is going to get that. But still, that means that a 170 has a most likely better than 50/50 chance at 100k from Northwestern, which is much, much better than anywhere else in the T14. "Almost everyone" was a bit of an exaggeration, but my underlying point that NU was whoring out for 170s way more than everyone else still stands.
Also, that LSN data for NU is 26 data points for 170 and 3.4+. Stretch that to 170-172, and it becomes 62 data points with similar results. Did last year's thread have so many more people in those score ranges that it would be more accurate than LSN? (note: I don't actually know how many people join those threads).t14splitter wrote:What you are missing is that they offer nearly a full ride (150k) to everyone who is accepted early decision. That will completely skew the scholarship money on LSN.
No, that LSN search excluded ED.
Mylsn is a useful tool, but when it comes to scholarship values especially, there's a non-negligible number of people who do not update, or simply dont display their information for that school. At some point in your cycle you may have the opportunity to speak with Johann Lee on this subject, and you'll see that its much less straightforward. Northwestern gives four types of scholarship grants above $100K:
2) 1-yr Deferred admission to highly qualified k-jd's
3) $120 and 4) $150 Dean's scholarships - these go to exclusively 170+/3.75+, in other words, above BOTH medians (urm's excluded).
LSN is telling you that 67% of those with LSATs over 170 received scholarships. Among those individuals, the mean amount was $110: this is a whole lot of 60Ks and 90Ks, and a small few 150's, many deferred k-jds, skewing the average over 110. Many more of the lower or no scholarship candidates did not report.