C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size Forum

[bouleversement]

We might see Penn at 169 after all.

[altoid99]

BC posted.

[04102014]

BC posted.

Wow, I'm really impressed they held the 164.

[AlanShore]

BC posted.

Wow, I'm really impressed they held the 164.

and held the median gpa too

[altoid99]

University of Washington also went official.

[altoid99]

As did Penn State.

[AT9]

SMU, Alabama, and Emory need to get on the ball.

[longlivetheking]

We might see Penn at 169 after all.

no chance penn's gonna fall to 169.

[bouleversement]

We might see Penn at 169 after all.

no chance penn's gonna fall to 169.

What was the pre-release consensus on Northwestern?

[cotiger]

We might see Penn at 169 after all.

no chance penn's gonna fall to 169.

What was the pre-release consensus on Northwestern?

Yeah, considering that Northwestern was throwing around 100k+ to almost everyone with a 170+ regardless of GPA and fell, while Penn kept things respectable on the GPA front and seemed relatively stingy with money makes me not that sure how they could keep it. Aren't all those 170/3.85 people going to go to CCN, who are giving just as much money or more to them than Penn is?

On the other hand, Penn is one of the most admissions game-y schools out there, so wouldn't they start going crazy if they saw they might lose it?

Who knows..

[Yukos]

Wouldn't be surprised if SLS dropped to 169. Don't think it would matter at all though.

[BigZuck]

We might see Penn at 169 after all.

no chance penn's gonna fall to 169.

What was the pre-release consensus on Northwestern?

Yeah, considering that Northwestern was throwing around 100k+ to almost everyone with a 170+ regardless of GPA and fell, while Penn kept things respectable on the GPA front and seemed relatively stingy with money makes me not that sure how they could keep it. Aren't all those 170/3.85 people going to go to CCN, who are giving just as much money or more to them than Penn is?

On the other hand, Penn is one of the most admissions game-y schools out there, so wouldn't they start going crazy if they saw they might lose it?

Who knows..

I'm not saying Penn lost the 169 but UVA is super game-y as well and few people thought they would lose the 170 and they did.

[rebexness]

We might see Penn at 169 after all.

no chance penn's gonna fall to 169.

What was the pre-release consensus on Northwestern?

Yeah, considering that Northwestern was throwing around 100k+ to almost everyone with a 170+ regardless of GPA and fell, while Penn kept things respectable on the GPA front and seemed relatively stingy with money makes me not that sure how they could keep it. Aren't all those 170/3.85 people going to go to CCN, who are giving just as much money or more to them than Penn is?

On the other hand, Penn is one of the most admissions game-y schools out there, so wouldn't they start going crazy if they saw they might lose it?

Who knows..

That 100k business is ridiculously untrue.

[Dr. Dre]

no chance penn's gonna fall to 169.

(penn adcom)

[longlivetheking]

no chance penn's gonna fall to 169.

(penn adcom)

169

[Clearly]

That 100k business is ridiculously untrue.

Lol for real.

[ThinkNegative]

Wouldn't be surprised if SLS dropped to 169. Don't think it would matter at all though.

Why wouldn't you be surprised?

[20141023]

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[hephaestus]

Cornell posted their numbers:

2013 Entering Class (195 Matriculants)

25% GPA: 3.52
Median GPA: 3.66
75% GPA: 3.73

25% LSAT: 165
Median LSAT: 167
75% LSAT: 167

Not sure if I've seen that happen before...

Wow.

[cotiger]

That 100k business is ridiculously untrue.

Why do you say that? Looking at LSN, they gave 170s (NOT 170+s), with a 3.4+ GPA money 67% of the time at an average of 110k. And that's on the 92% (24 total, so not a super small sample) that they let in, another T14 high.

Compare that to Penn, which at 170 and 3.8+ only gave money to 50% at an average of 50k. And that's on top of only letting 77% (20) in. That's a significant difference. So even when you adjust for the difference in tier of schools (ie Penn keeping it classy on the GPA front), NU was still much more aggressive trying to keep that 170.

Is there something I'm missing?

[ScottRiqui]

Cornell posted their numbers:

2013 Entering Class (195 Matriculants)

25% GPA: 3.52
Median GPA: 3.66
75% GPA: 3.73

25% LSAT: 165
Median LSAT: 167
75% LSAT: 167

Not sure if I've seen that happen before...

Wow.

Yeah, that's unusual. So at least a quarter of their class scored exactly a 167, and at least half of the class scored a 165, 166 or 167.

[jbagelboy]

That 100k business is ridiculously untrue.

Why do you say that? Looking at LSN, they gave 170s (NOT 170+s), with a 3.4+ GPA money 67% of the time at an average of 110k. And that's on the 92% (24 total, so not a super small sample) that they let in, another T14 high.

Compare that to Penn, which at 170 and 3.8+ only gave money to 50% at an average of 50k. And that's on top of only letting 77% (20) in. That's a significant difference. So even when you adjust for the difference in tier of schools (ie Penn keeping it classy on the GPA front), NU was still much more aggressive trying to keep that 170.

Is there something I'm missing?

I had a 172 and I got less that $100K total from Northwestern (rec'd $90K). So the claim that all 170's were getting scholarships higher than mine doesnt compute. Its also not representative of the cycle itself, because I was there in the thread watching results and negotiations come in. There were plenty of 170s and 171s getting $30K and $60K total grants

[t14splitter]

That 100k business is ridiculously untrue.

Why do you say that? Looking at LSN, they gave 170s (NOT 170+s), with a 3.4+ GPA money 67% of the time at an average of 110k. And that's on the 92% (24 total, so not a super small sample) that they let in, another T14 high.

Compare that to Penn, which at 170 and 3.8+ only gave money to 50% at an average of 50k. And that's on top of only letting 77% (20) in. That's a significant difference. So even when you adjust for the difference in tier of schools (ie Penn keeping it classy on the GPA front), NU was still much more aggressive trying to keep that 170.

Is there something I'm missing?

What you are missing is that they offer nearly a full ride (150k) to everyone who is accepted early decision. That will completely skew the scholarship money on LSN.

[cotiger]

That 100k business is ridiculously untrue.

Why do you say that? Looking at LSN, they gave 170s (NOT 170+s), with a 3.4+ GPA money 67% of the time at an average of 110k. And that's on the 92% (24 total, so not a super small sample) that they let in, another T14 high.

Compare that to Penn, which at 170 and 3.8+ only gave money to 50% at an average of 50k. And that's on top of only letting 77% (20) in. That's a significant difference. So even when you adjust for the difference in tier of schools (ie Penn keeping it classy on the GPA front), NU was still much more aggressive trying to keep that 170.

Is there something I'm missing?

I had a 172 and I got less that $100K total from Northwestern (rec'd $90K). So the claim that all 170's were getting scholarships higher than mine doesnt compute. Its also not representative of the cycle itself, because I was there in the thread watching results and negotiations come in. There were plenty of 170s and 171s getting $30K and $60K total grants

I didn't say all got it, just most (67%). And the 110k is an average, so for sure not everyone is going to get that. But still, that means that a 170 had a most likely better than 50/50 chance at 100k from Northwestern, which is much, much better than anywhere else in the T14. "Almost everyone" was a bit of an exaggeration, but my underlying point that NU was whoring out for 170s way more than everyone else still stands.

Also, that LSN data for NU is 26 data points for 170 and 3.4+. Stretch that to 170-172, and it becomes 62 data points with similar results. Did last year's thread have so many more people in those score ranges that it would be more accurate than LSN? (note: I don't actually know how many people join those threads).

What you are missing is that they offer nearly a full ride (150k) to everyone who is accepted early decision. That will completely skew the scholarship money on LSN.

No, that LSN search excluded ED.

[hephaestus]

Cornell posted their numbers:

2013 Entering Class (195 Matriculants)

25% GPA: 3.52
Median GPA: 3.66
75% GPA: 3.73

25% LSAT: 165
Median LSAT: 167
75% LSAT: 167

Not sure if I've seen that happen before...

Wow.

Yeah, that's unusual. So at least a quarter of their class scored exactly a 167, and at least half of the class scored a 165, 166 or 167.

That is a very narrow range, but a 167 75th is very low for a T14.