Where's the Google Doc graph with Biglaw +Art. 3 clerkships?

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Where's the Google Doc graph with Biglaw +Art. 3 clerkships?

Postby nothingtosee » Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:19 pm

I know there's a really nice, pretty googledoc graph with the Biglaw and Article 3 clerkships. I've seen it posted, but I looked at it on my phone and didn't bookmark it. Could someone link me pweez?

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Re: Where's the Google Doc graph with Biglaw +Art. 3 clerkships?

Postby ManoftheHour » Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:22 pm

Ask kappycaft1. I think he made it.

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Re: Where's the Google Doc graph with Biglaw +Art. 3 clerkships?

Postby Lavitz » Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:36 pm

kappycaft1 wrote:Here are a couple of charts that I've made in my free time that might prove slightly useful (I didn't make the one for 2011; that was made by someone else here on TLS):

Biglaw + AIII
Class of 2012 Employment Data
Class of 2011 Employment Data

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Re: Where's the Google Doc graph with Biglaw +Art. 3 clerkships?

Postby 20141023 » Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:48 pm

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Re: Where's the Google Doc graph with Biglaw +Art. 3 clerkships?

Postby ManoftheHour » Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:53 pm

kappycaft1 wrote:Here are a couple of charts that I've made in my free time that might prove slightly useful (I didn't make the one for 2011; that was made by someone else here on TLS):

Biglaw + AIII



Dat UCI lawl. Broke into T-14. Poor GeorgeTTTown.

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Re: Where's the Google Doc graph with Biglaw +Art. 3 clerkships?

Postby californiauser » Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:11 pm

Cooley has THREE campuses? Wow

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Re: Where's the Google Doc graph with Biglaw +Art. 3 clerkships?

Postby ManoftheHour » Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:13 pm

Hey kappycaft1, how come there's no data for any of the Cooleys?

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Re: Where's the Google Doc graph with Biglaw +Art. 3 clerkships?

Postby Darmody » Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:26 pm

I didn't know Penn placed more students into BigLaw than NYU, Yale, Stanford, UChicago and Harvard.

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Re: Where's the Google Doc graph with Biglaw +Art. 3 clerkships?

Postby ManoftheHour » Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:46 pm

Darmody wrote:I didn't know Penn placed more students into BigLaw than NYU, Yale, Stanford, UChicago and Harvard.


Yeah. Self selection from the T-6. Students from those schools tend to want to do something else.

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Re: Where's the Google Doc graph with Biglaw +Art. 3 clerkships?

Postby notalobbyist » Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:48 am

Is there any data or anecdotal evidence to help compensate for selection bias? I feel like the placement data of the graduating class of the better schools tells you more about what law school students want than what the school can do for you.

For example, NYU's clerkships of the graduating class was practically cut in half from 2011-2012. Is NYU losing its luster in this aspect, or is it just that the graduates wanted to do something else.

To what extent are these numbers a reflection of the preferences of employers vs. the preferences of the student body? Is it that NYU grads have a harder time with appellate clerkships than the rest of the T6, and would rather go into government than district clerkships?

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Postby 20141023 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:18 pm

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Re: Where's the Google Doc graph with Biglaw +Art. 3 clerkships?

Postby MyNameIsFlynn! » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:43 pm

kappycaft1 wrote:
notalobbyist wrote:Is there any data or anecdotal evidence to help compensate for selection bias? I feel like the placement data of the graduating class of the better schools tells you more about what law school students want than what the school can do for you.

For example, NYU's clerkships of the graduating class was practically cut in half from 2011-2012. Is NYU losing its luster in this aspect, or is it just that the graduates wanted to do something else.

To what extent are these numbers a reflection of the preferences of employers vs. the preferences of the student body? Is it that NYU grads have a harder time with appellate clerkships than the rest of the T6, and would rather go into government than district clerkships?

Obviously students at places like Yale are going to opt into PI and other fields that won't be shown on the BigLaw + FedClerk graph. Unfortunately, these graphs are simply 100% actual placement outcomes and not theoretical placement ability; there is really no way to tell what % of students at any given school got the job they wanted instead of just a job that they were willing to do.


This. And it's true of schools outside the T6. Look at Georgetown. The employment stats significantly underrepresent the school's placement abilities because so many grads self-select away from BigLaw and toward BigGovt

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Re: Where's the Google Doc graph with Biglaw +Art. 3 clerkships?

Postby sinfiery » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:19 pm

notalobbyist wrote:Is there any data or anecdotal evidence to help compensate for selection bias? I feel like the placement data of the graduating class of the better schools tells you more about what law school students want than what the school can do for you.

For example, NYU's clerkships of the graduating class was practically cut in half from 2011-2012. Is NYU losing its luster in this aspect, or is it just that the graduates wanted to do something else.

To what extent are these numbers a reflection of the preferences of employers vs. the preferences of the student body? Is it that NYU grads have a harder time with appellate clerkships than the rest of the T6, and would rather go into government than district clerkships?


I believe there are numbers floating around for CLS/NYU/UPenn that indicate very similar offer rates for those that participated in OCI (85%+)

but schools don't publish these numbers so who really knows (they really should be forced to)


One way is to look at data from the boom years to get a sense of school culture
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This really helps put some perspective behind UVA/Mich/GTown/Berkeley numbers

Doesn't help NYUs case as being a PI leaning safe haven in the T14 though this does (http://www.law.com/pdf/nlj/20080414empl ... trends.pdf)

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Re: Where's the Google Doc graph with Biglaw +Art. 3 clerkships?

Postby nothingtosee » Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:58 am

I'm gonna bump this because it's a great resource for people as acceptances/decisions start coming in.

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Re: Where's the Google Doc graph with Biglaw +Art. 3 clerkships?

Postby altoid99 » Sat Dec 14, 2013 5:28 pm

did anyone else notice "generic university school of law" on the biglaw+article III chart?

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Re: Where's the Google Doc graph with Biglaw +Art. 3 clerkships?

Postby 20141023 » Sat Dec 14, 2013 5:40 pm

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Re: Where's the Google Doc graph with Biglaw +Art. 3 clerkships?

Postby altoid99 » Sat Dec 14, 2013 5:56 pm

Lavitz wrote:
kappycaft1 wrote:Here are a couple of charts that I've made in my free time that might prove slightly useful (I didn't make the one for 2011; that was made by someone else here on TLS):

Biglaw + AIII
Class of 2012 Employment Data
Class of 2011 Employment Data


The class of 2011 employment data is actually for the class of 2010 by the looks of it.




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