Two questions for TLS veterans

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Two questions for TLS veterans

Postby We'reAllGonnaMakeIt » Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:48 am

Does applying Early Decision help chances?




Does applying earlier in the REGULAR DECISION help?




Thanks in advance.

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Re: Two questions for TLS veterans

Postby sinfiery » Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:25 am

sometimes yes/yes but neither are in the same realm of importance as improving your LSAT score/GPA even one point/.05 points respectively

ED locks your chances of getting substantial scholarship money down dramatically and is generally not advised

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Re: Two questions for TLS veterans

Postby hephaestus » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:15 am

ED generally only helps if you're at one median. For example, a 3.6/165 isn't getting UVA ED. But a 3.3/170 could. It helps in the margins but won't save you unless you're somewhat competitive to beging with.

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Re: Two questions for TLS veterans

Postby romothesavior » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:45 am

sinfiery wrote:sometimes yes/yes but neither are in the same realm of importance as improving your LSAT score/GPA even one point/.05 points respectively

ED locks your chances of getting substantial scholarship money down dramatically and is generally not advised

Pretty much this.

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Re: Two questions for TLS veterans

Postby We'reAllGonnaMakeIt » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:06 am

Thank you all so much for your answers.

Any more imput on this? HYSCCN?

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Re: Two questions for TLS veterans

Postby elterrible78 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:27 am

We'reAllGonnaMakeIt wrote:Thank you all so much for your answers.

Any more imput on this? HYSCCN?


It depends a lot on the school. Although not exact science, based on LSN data:

Harvard: ED- N/A
Each earlier month: 35.8% increase in your chances of acceptance vs. rejection

Yale: ED - N/A
Each earlier month: Nothing

Stanford: ED - N/A
Each earlier month: 21.7%

Chicago: ED - 208.5 % increase vs. RD
Each month earlier - 78.8%

Columbia: ED - Nothing
Each month earlier - 27.0%

NYU: ED - Nothing
Each month earlier - 18.8%

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Re: Two questions for TLS veterans

Postby gaud » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:31 am

romothesavior wrote:
sinfiery wrote:sometimes yes/yes but neither are in the same realm of importance as improving your LSAT score/GPA even one point/.05 points respectively

ED locks your chances of getting substantial scholarship money down dramatically and is generally not advised

Pretty much this.


Yup

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Re: Two questions for TLS veterans

Postby We'reAllGonnaMakeIt » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:48 am

elterrible78 wrote:
We'reAllGonnaMakeIt wrote:Thank you all so much for your answers.

Any more imput on this? HYSCCN?


It depends a lot on the school. Although not exact science, based on LSN data:

Harvard: ED- N/A
Each earlier month: 35.8% increase in your chances of acceptance vs. rejection

Yale: ED - N/A
Each earlier month: Nothing

Stanford: ED - N/A
Each earlier month: 21.7%

Chicago: ED - 208.5 % increase vs. RD
Each month earlier - 78.8%

Columbia: ED - Nothing
Each month earlier - 27.0%

NYU: ED - Nothing
Each month earlier - 18.8%


So if I take the December LSAT to apply this year, I'm already at a disadvantage?

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Re: Two questions for TLS veterans

Postby dowu » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:51 am

gaud wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
sinfiery wrote:sometimes yes/yes but neither are in the same realm of importance as improving your LSAT score/GPA even one point/.05 points respectively

ED locks your chances of getting substantial scholarship money down dramatically and is generally not advised

Pretty much this.


Yup

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Re: Two questions for TLS veterans

Postby elterrible78 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:53 am

We'reAllGonnaMakeIt wrote:
elterrible78 wrote:
We'reAllGonnaMakeIt wrote:Thank you all so much for your answers.

Any more imput on this? HYSCCN?


It depends a lot on the school. Although not exact science, based on LSN data:

Harvard: ED- N/A
Each earlier month: 35.8% increase in your chances of acceptance vs. rejection

Yale: ED - N/A
Each earlier month: Nothing

Stanford: ED - N/A
Each earlier month: 21.7%

Chicago: ED - 208.5 % increase vs. RD
Each month earlier - 78.8%

Columbia: ED - Nothing
Each month earlier - 27.0%

NYU: ED - Nothing
Each month earlier - 18.8%


So if I take the December LSAT to apply this year, I'm already at a disadvantage?


Compared to someone who applies with your same numbers on the first day of September? Yep. Compared to yourself if you increase your LSAT by even a point because you took/re-took in December? Nope.

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Re: Two questions for TLS veterans

Postby ManoftheHour » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:58 am

elterrible78 wrote:Compared to someone who applies with your same numbers on the first day of September? Yep. Compared to yourself if you increase your LSAT by even a point because you took/re-took in December? Nope.


Do your chances of getting $$$ increase if you apply early on as well?

Just wondering because I feel like schools get desperate at the end and start showering people on the fence with money.

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Re: Two questions for TLS veterans

Postby elterrible78 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:06 am

ManoftheHour wrote:
elterrible78 wrote:Compared to someone who applies with your same numbers on the first day of September? Yep. Compared to yourself if you increase your LSAT by even a point because you took/re-took in December? Nope.


Do your chances of getting $$$ increase if you apply early on as well?

Just wondering because I feel like schools get desperate at the end and start showering people on the fence with money.


Because of the LSN data, it's really tough to say. Just eyeballing it, though, it doesn't seem to make any difference at all.

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Re: Two questions for TLS veterans

Postby We'reAllGonnaMakeIt » Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:01 am

elterrible78 wrote:
We'reAllGonnaMakeIt wrote:
elterrible78 wrote:
We'reAllGonnaMakeIt wrote:Thank you all so much for your answers.

Any more imput on this? HYSCCN?


It depends a lot on the school. Although not exact science, based on LSN data:

Harvard: ED- N/A
Each earlier month: 35.8% increase in your chances of acceptance vs. rejection

Yale: ED - N/A
Each earlier month: Nothing

Stanford: ED - N/A
Each earlier month: 21.7%

Chicago: ED - 208.5 % increase vs. RD
Each month earlier - 78.8%

Columbia: ED - Nothing
Each month earlier - 27.0%

NYU: ED - Nothing
Each month earlier - 18.8%


So if I take the December LSAT to apply this year, I'm already at a disadvantage?


Compared to someone who applies with your same numbers on the first day of September? Yep. Compared to yourself if you increase your LSAT by even a point because you took/re-took in December? Nope.


Is there a curve on the LSAT. Like is it easier in October than December?

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Re: Two questions for TLS veterans

Postby Balthy » Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:30 am

We'reAllGonnaMakeIt wrote:
Is there a curve on the LSAT. Like is it easier in October than December?



This would defeat the purpose of a standardized admissions test.

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Re: Two questions for TLS veterans

Postby JazzyMac » Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:36 am

superdingle2000 wrote:
We'reAllGonnaMakeIt wrote:
Is there a curve on the LSAT. Like is it easier in October than December?



This would defeat the purpose of a standardized admissions test.


:D

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Re: Two questions for TLS veterans

Postby malleus discentium » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:05 am

superdingle2000 wrote:
We'reAllGonnaMakeIt wrote:
Is there a curve on the LSAT. Like is it easier in October than December?



This would defeat the purpose of a standardized admissions test.


Incorrect. Any given LSAT may indeed be more difficult than another. That's why raw scores equate (technical term) to different scaled scores on different exams.

To answer the OP's question, if any exam is easier than another, it will be remedied by the curve (so yes there's a curve). For example, PrepTest 23 had a curve of -16 (maximum # of questions you could miss to get a 170) while PrepTest 24 had a curve of -14. So PrepTest 23 was more difficult than PrepTest 24.




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