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jbagelboy
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Re: HYSC what LSAT?

Postby jbagelboy » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:07 pm

untar614 wrote:
Ling520 wrote:
untar614 wrote:
jbagelboy wrote:
Columbia is #1 for mean pay out of law school according to the actual forbes ranking. Stanford is #1 for mid career.

Columbia dominates the out of LS figure because more HYS kids get prestigious fed clerkships, which are lower paying than market salary at large NYC firms.


The more recent editions of that article give the same results: http://www.forbes.com/pictures/efkk45eg ... -school-2/
Columbia has the top median pay right out of school, but HLS is the clear winner mid-career. In fact, CLS seems to lag several other schools in the mid-career pay metric. Any thoughts as to why this might be the case?


I think jbagelboy covered it with the prestigious fed clerkships.


But why does Coumbia's mid-career median salary fall behind Chicago, UVA, Duke and NYU's?


It could easily just be that in one year less ~40 year old CLS alumns reported scores than another year. the metric is very far from foolproof. What does "mid-career" even mean?

Exit options from clerking tend to be more lucrative than biglaw exit options. So schools like UChicago and HYS with high clerkship numbers might see a higher return. For the others, I bet if you remove the skewy factors in the data, CLS, NYU, Duke, ect will all even out to roughly the same "mid-career" (post-biglaw) salary medians

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Re: HYSC what LSAT?

Postby jbagelboy » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:09 pm

Lavitz wrote:
untar614 wrote:The more recent editions of that article give the same results: http://www.forbes.com/pictures/efkk45eg ... -school-2/
Columbia has the top median pay right out of school, but HLS is the clear winner mid-career. In fact, CLS seems to lag several other schools in the mid-career pay metric. Any thoughts as to why this might be the case?


Ranked by mid-career:

1. Harvard: 221K
2. Cornell: 209K
3. Duke: 207K
4. Chicago: 204K
5. Stanford: 202K
6. Northwestern: 198K
7. NYU: 197K
8. UVA: 192K
9. Santa Clara: 189K
10. Columbia: 187K
11. Georgetown: 187K
12. Michigan: 185K
13. Penn: 183K
14. USC: 183K
15. Fordham: 178K
16. UCLA: 177K
17. Yale: 168K
18. Berkeley: 165K
19. Catholic: 162K
20. Hastings: 158K
21. Texas: 157K
22. Houston: 150K
23. San Francisco: 150K
24. San Diego: 136K
25. Utah: 135K


Santa Clara > Columbia.


I think this list alone demonstrates how flawed the forbes salary metric is in the first place.

ETA: also "mid-career" = shitboomer.

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Re: HYSC what LSAT?

Postby Tekrul » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:09 pm

I read that article a while back. I've been doing a good job of pretending not to have ever seen it but now it's back and I must have answers. Panic attack incoming.

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Re: HYSC what LSAT?

Postby untar614 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:11 pm

jbagelboy wrote:
untar614 wrote:But why does Coumbia's mid-career median salary fall behind Chicago, UVA, Duke and NYU's?


It could easily just be that in one year less ~40 year old CLS alumns reported scores than another year. the metric is very far from foolproof. What does "mid-career" even mean?

Exit options from clerking tend to be more lucrative than biglaw exit options. So schools like UChicago and HYS with high clerkship numbers might see a higher return. For the others, I bet if you remove the skewy factors in the data, CLS, NYU, Duke, ect will all even out to roughly the same "mid-career" (post-biglaw) salary medians


Yeah, good points. Once I went a bit further down the list, I saw they also had trash schools with good mid-career salaries. It's based on people who graduated a long time ago, so that along with what you said means it's probably not useful information beyond knowing what a good number of lawyers in the private sector are making now.

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Re: HYSC what LSAT?

Postby sinfiery » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:43 pm



The 25 Law Schools Whose Grads Earn The Most - Forbes.com
Forbes turned to Payscale.com to find the law school schools whose graduates make the most in the early stages of their career. Here are the top 25.






sinfiery wrote:
CanIGetAnAmen wrote:Why do Columbia grads on average make more money than HYS?

Because payscale uses shit data to compute the unsurprisingly shit analysis on such matters

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Re: HYSC what LSAT?

Postby BigZuck » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:59 pm

Lavitz wrote:
untar614 wrote:The more recent editions of that article give the same results: http://www.forbes.com/pictures/efkk45eg ... -school-2/
Columbia has the top median pay right out of school, but HLS is the clear winner mid-career. In fact, CLS seems to lag several other schools in the mid-career pay metric. Any thoughts as to why this might be the case?


Ranked by mid-career:

1. Harvard: 221K
2. Cornell: 209K
3. Duke: 207K
4. Chicago: 204K
5. Stanford: 202K
6. Northwestern: 198K
7. NYU: 197K
8. UVA: 192K
9. Santa Clara: 189K
10. Columbia: 187K
11. Georgetown: 187K
12. Michigan: 185K
13. Penn: 183K
14. USC: 183K
15. Fordham: 178K
16. UCLA: 177K
17. Yale: 168K
18. Berkeley: 165K
19. Catholic: 162K
20. Hastings: 158K
21. Texas: 157K
22. Houston: 150K
23. San Francisco: 150K
24. San Diego: 136K
25. Utah: 135K


Santa Clara > Columbia.


Son of a bitch. I passed on Hastings last cycle only to take Texas this cycle.

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Re: HYSC what LSAT?

Postby Lavitz » Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:03 am

BigZuck wrote:Son of a bitch. I passed on Hastings last cycle only to take Texas this cycle.

More importantly, you passed on Duke this cycle.

Could've been in the Harvard-Cornell-Duke trinity.

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Re: HYSC what LSAT?

Postby Huey Freeman » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:49 pm

Lavitz wrote:
untar614 wrote:The more recent editions of that article give the same results: http://www.forbes.com/pictures/efkk45eg ... -school-2/
Columbia has the top median pay right out of school, but HLS is the clear winner mid-career. In fact, CLS seems to lag several other schools in the mid-career pay metric. Any thoughts as to why this might be the case?


Ranked by mid-career:

1. Harvard: 221K
2. Cornell: 209K
3. Duke: 207K
4. Chicago: 204K
5. Stanford: 202K
6. Northwestern: 198K
7. NYU: 197K
8. UVA: 192K
9. Santa Clara: 189K
10. Columbia: 187K
11. Georgetown: 187K
12. Michigan: 185K
13. Penn: 183K
14. USC: 183K
15. Fordham: 178K
16. UCLA: 177K
17. Yale: 168K
18. Berkeley: 165K
19. Catholic: 162K
20. Hastings: 158K
21. Texas: 157K
22. Houston: 150K
23. San Francisco: 150K
24. San Diego: 136K
25. Utah: 135K


Santa Clara > Columbia.


fucking TTT Yale didn't even make it to the T14

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Re: HYSC what LSAT?

Postby Ti Malice » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:02 pm

Huey Freeman wrote:
Lavitz wrote:
untar614 wrote:The more recent editions of that article give the same results: http://www.forbes.com/pictures/efkk45eg ... -school-2/
Columbia has the top median pay right out of school, but HLS is the clear winner mid-career. In fact, CLS seems to lag several other schools in the mid-career pay metric. Any thoughts as to why this might be the case?


Ranked by mid-career:

1. Harvard: 221K
2. Cornell: 209K
3. Duke: 207K
4. Chicago: 204K
5. Stanford: 202K
6. Northwestern: 198K
7. NYU: 197K
8. UVA: 192K
9. Santa Clara: 189K
10. Columbia: 187K
11. Georgetown: 187K
12. Michigan: 185K
13. Penn: 183K
14. USC: 183K
15. Fordham: 178K
16. UCLA: 177K
17. Yale: 168K
18. Berkeley: 165K
19. Catholic: 162K
20. Hastings: 158K
21. Texas: 157K
22. Houston: 150K
23. San Francisco: 150K
24. San Diego: 136K
25. Utah: 135K


Santa Clara > Columbia.


fucking TTT Yale didn't even make it to the T14


I hope I can transfer up to Santa Clara.

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Nulli Secundus
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Re: HYSC what LSAT?

Postby Nulli Secundus » Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:35 am

Pretty meaningless question. Assume 180 is needed to be admitted to Cooley, aim for 180, study for 180; in the end, the closer you get the better.

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Re: HYSC what LSAT?

Postby bizzybone1313 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:10 am

Ti Malice wrote:
Huey Freeman wrote:
Lavitz wrote:
untar614 wrote:The more recent editions of that article give the same results: http://www.forbes.com/pictures/efkk45eg ... -school-2/
Columbia has the top median pay right out of school, but HLS is the clear winner mid-career. In fact, CLS seems to lag several other schools in the mid-career pay metric. Any thoughts as to why this might be the case?


Ranked by mid-career:

1. Harvard: 221K
2. Cornell: 209K
3. Duke: 207K
4. Chicago: 204K
5. Stanford: 202K
6. Northwestern: 198K
7. NYU: 197K
8. UVA: 192K
9. Santa Clara: 189K
10. Columbia: 187K
11. Georgetown: 187K
12. Michigan: 185K
13. Penn: 183K
14. USC: 183K
15. Fordham: 178K
16. UCLA: 177K
17. Yale: 168K
18. Berkeley: 165K
19. Catholic: 162K
20. Hastings: 158K
21. Texas: 157K
22. Houston: 150K
23. San Francisco: 150K
24. San Diego: 136K
25. Utah: 135K


Santa Clara > Columbia.


fucking TTT Yale didn't even make it to the T14


I hope I can transfer up to Santa Clara.


Steve Nash, the NBA point guard that attended there, skews the data due to the millions and millions of dollars he earns.

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Re: HYSC what LSAT?

Postby xylocarp » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:38 am

bizzybone1313 wrote:
Lavitz wrote:
untar614 wrote:The more recent editions of that article give the same results: http://www.forbes.com/pictures/efkk45eg ... -school-2/
Columbia has the top median pay right out of school, but HLS is the clear winner mid-career. In fact, CLS seems to lag several other schools in the mid-career pay metric. Any thoughts as to why this might be the case?


Ranked by mid-career:

1. Harvard: 221K
2. Cornell: 209K
3. Duke: 207K
4. Chicago: 204K
5. Stanford: 202K
6. Northwestern: 198K
7. NYU: 197K
8. UVA: 192K
9. Santa Clara: 189K
10. Columbia: 187K
11. Georgetown: 187K
12. Michigan: 185K
13. Penn: 183K
14. USC: 183K
15. Fordham: 178K
16. UCLA: 177K
17. Yale: 168K
18. Berkeley: 165K
19. Catholic: 162K
20. Hastings: 158K
21. Texas: 157K
22. Houston: 150K
23. San Francisco: 150K
24. San Diego: 136K
25. Utah: 135K


Santa Clara > Columbia.


Steve Nash, the NBA point guard that attended there, skews the data due to the millions and millions of dollars he earns.


He only went to Santa Clara for undergrad though.

(...sorry if you were kidding...)

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Re: HYSC what LSAT?

Postby CanIGetAnAmen » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:19 am

I've read somewhere that Stanford grads make the most money.

We're talking big law right?




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