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Re: Switch from Medicine to Law

Postby 062914123 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:03 pm

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Re: Switch from Medicine to Law

Postby unclepete » Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:04 pm

bee wrote:
ManoftheHour wrote:
unclepete wrote:Don't go to med school unless you can't imagine yourself being anything but a doctor. I can't stress this enough.

My sister started med school last August, took a leave of absence within a month, and is now pursuing something completely different and couldn't be happier. Sure, it's a well-respected career, but realize that you will have NO life (seriously....zero) for about 8-10 years, have zero say in where you live for 4-5. If you're having any doubts AT ALL, do not go.


This. So much this. So many people don't know. Med school is no joke. You have to be okay with giving up your 20s and early 30s, be in quarter million + debt BEFORE interest, not knowing where you will end up for residency, and all the work and stress that comes with it. Forget about dating and social life.

You don't just get into med school, waltz through, and become rich. Going to med school is one of the dumbest things to do if all you want to be is rich.

Seriously. This. If you guys knew any med students/interns/residents, you would not be telling OP to go to med school when they obviously have no passion for it.

One of the few lifestyles worse than BigLaw.


My brother-in-law is a 3rd year resident now. Ended up in one of the worst cities in the country, and has not made a SINGLE family holiday since he started because he can't get a day off. Not a single day. We now pick up the entire family and go to him for holidays.

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Re: Switch from Medicine to Law

Postby Dbate » Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:26 pm

jkay wrote:There's a third career path here: Biology related Ph.D.


I worked in a lab for two years and it was terrible. Also, the economic prospects of a PhD are atrocious.

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Re: Switch from Medicine to Law

Postby Dbate » Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:30 pm

ManoftheHour wrote:
unclepete wrote:Don't go to med school unless you can't imagine yourself being anything but a doctor. I can't stress this enough.

My sister started med school last August, took a leave of absence within a month, and is now pursuing something completely different and couldn't be happier. Sure, it's a well-respected career, but realize that you will have NO life (seriously....zero) for about 8-10 years, have zero say in where you live for 4-5. If you're having any doubts AT ALL, do not go.


This. So much this. So many people don't know. Med school is no joke. You have to be okay with giving up your 20s and early 30s, be in quarter million + debt BEFORE interest, not knowing where you will end up for residency, and all the work and stress that comes with it. Forget about dating and social life.

You don't just get into med school, waltz through, and become rich. Going to med school is one of the dumbest things to do if all you want to be is rich.



That is part of the issue. Medicine is all consuming.

When I sat down to think about it, I wouldn't have my first real job until I was 32. I am a 22 year old. Ten years is almost half of my life.

Medicine requires:

22-26 Med School, will put me in about $200K debt
26-30 (or 31) Residency, where you make about $55K a year while interest accrues on your loans.

When I got my first real job, I would be in debt by almost $250-270K at the age of 31 or 32. I wouldn't even be able to pay off my loans until I was 42.

The economic aspects make medicine a poor career choice. I couldn't imagine piling my general dislike for the actual practice of medicine on top of that financial stress.

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Re: Switch from Medicine to Law

Postby sinfiery » Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:33 pm

Curious, what do doctors make? I hear anything from 150-800k.

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Re: Switch from Medicine to Law

Postby Dbate » Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:38 pm

sinfiery wrote:
Dbate wrote:
Nova wrote:they show you what schools you can likely get into with your GPA and hypothetical LSAT



Oh that's really helpful then!

Do people tend to increase alot from their practice LSAT scores? Would I be able to improve from the 159 I initially scored as a sophomore?

My very first cold PT ( not even knowing if the test was multiple choice going in) was a 157. 176 this last October.

It's possible but not guaranteed but it is guaranteed to require some effort.

I believe you should not go to med school if you don't want to be a doctor but financially speaking, med school kills law schools.

You will need to break a 170 for law school to not be a giant waste of money


This is really encouraging to hear. I got my 159 my sophomore year, so I am not sure how I would do now. But I have always done well on verbal tests (790 SAT CR, 36 ACT Reading, 12 MCAT verbal). So I should hopefully be able to do well on the LSAT.

From looking on Law School Numbers if I scored a 173, I would be able to get into some top law schools (T14) caliber. The only thing that would hold me back is my GPA, but I majored in a biological science (which is somewhat different from most law school applicants) and I did my undergrad at a respectable school (HYP).

Hopefully, all together I could get into a decent law school.

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Re: Switch from Medicine to Law

Postby Dbate » Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:39 pm

sinfiery wrote:Curious, what do doctors make? I hear anything from 150-800k.


It varies based on specialty.

For primary care physicians: 170K is about the norm.
For non-surgical specialists: 220K
For surgical specialists: 250-350K on average

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Re: Switch from Medicine to Law

Postby ManoftheHour » Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:39 pm

sinfiery wrote:Curious, what do doctors make? I hear anything from 150-800k.


Yeah. But to make more than that 150k, you have to specialize. Specialization can take up and ADDITIONAL 5-9 years, depending on the type of practice. That 800k is probably for stuff like neurosurgery, which takes the longest to complete.

However, as a doctor, you will have a job. But it's not worth doing unless you have a passion for it. It'll be the only thing that will keep you sane throughout the process.

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Re: Switch from Medicine to Law

Postby sinfiery » Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:43 pm

Dbate wrote:
sinfiery wrote:Curious, what do doctors make? I hear anything from 150-800k.


It varies based on specialty.

For primary care physicians: 170K is about the norm.
For non-surgical specialists: 220K
For surgical specialists: 250-350K on average

Ah, thanks. I see, yeah always wondered how that worked.



Yeah, that's a good cold score. Buy a bible for LG and your score should shoot up from there. At that point, it will take some real work to improve but is very possible and there are great guides and tips in the LSAT forum. Goodluck!


ManoftheHour wrote:
sinfiery wrote:Curious, what do doctors make? I hear anything from 150-800k.


Yeah. But to make more than that 150k, you have to specialize. Specialization can take up and ADDITIONAL 5-9 years, depending on the type of practice. That 800k is probably for stuff like neurosurgery, which takes the longest to complete.

However, as a doctor, you will have a job. But it's not worth doing unless you have a passion for it. It'll be the only thing that will keep you sane throughout the process.

Ah. Yeah, its definitely a great gig (if you want to be a doctor) once you get past the schooling but some numbers I've heard were, as I thought, largely embellished.

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Re: Switch from Medicine to Law

Postby ManoftheHour » Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:45 pm

Good luck OP. I hope this all works out for you. Worst comes to worst, you can still take that 35 to med school and make some good money (if you can tolerate med school). I know people that would kill for a 30.

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Re: Switch from Medicine to Law

Postby Lexaholik » Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:49 pm

Dbate wrote:Hello,

I recently graduated from college and I was set on the premed pathway. I got a degree in Molecular Biology from a quality university (HYP) with a an okay gpa (3.57). I took the MCAT and scored fairly well with a 35 (the average at Harvard Med is a 36), so i am intellectually capable of pursuing a medical career.

My only problem is that I think I don't want to be a doctor anymore. Since my freshman year of college, I had wanted to be a political science major and pursue law school, but I decided against that because I didn't want to take the "easy" way out. But now that I think of it, that is what I should have pursued.

With my low GPA I will probably not get into a good law school, so do you think it would be worth it to switch to a legal career?


the answer to this question is vastly different than the answer to "can i get into a top school?" the answer to the second question is probably yes, since you're smart, have good grades, and probably will get a decent LSAT score.

as to whether it would be worth it, that depends on your strengths, skills and personality. try to find out more about what lawyers do, and whether that sounds like something you want to do. if, for example, your true interest in political science is politics or government, there are other ways to break into those fields. but without knowing more, it's hard for anyone to tell you whether it's "worth it."




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