great great grandpa from egypt, am i a urm?

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great great grandpa from egypt, am i a urm?

Postby itachiuchiha » Tue May 07, 2013 11:52 am

it's probably a long shot, but I am technically partly african american. lmao
all my other relatives are from pakistan which is not urmish

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Re: great great grandpa from egypt, am i a urm?

Postby northwood » Tue May 07, 2013 11:54 am

no

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Postby itachiuchiha » Tue May 07, 2013 11:57 am

northwood wrote:no


bummer

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Postby howlery » Tue May 07, 2013 12:01 pm

Not unless he was racially a URM with an Egyptian passport. Although according to demographic data, roughly 99% of the population is of "Egyptian ethnicity."

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Postby vulpixie » Tue May 07, 2013 12:24 pm

Only if he was a black Egyptian (e.g. Nubian). If he was a white or Arabic Egyptian, definitely not.

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Postby rad lulz » Tue May 07, 2013 12:37 pm

African American = black

Sorry bro

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Re: great great grandpa from egypt, am i a urm?

Postby sinfiery » Tue May 07, 2013 12:41 pm

Pakistani isn't even not urmish, it is definitely not URM.

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Postby itachiuchiha » Tue May 07, 2013 12:45 pm

dammnit! it is sad that as a pakistani american i face challenges from islamophobes and am in the minority when it comes to race and ethnicity in the usa, but when it comes to law school admissions it is blacks and spanish who get the boost and not those who face even more challenges living in the states.

but this is a topic for another time

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Postby sinfiery » Tue May 07, 2013 12:46 pm

Lol. Deal with it bro, it isn't so bad

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Postby itachiuchiha » Tue May 07, 2013 12:48 pm

sinfiery wrote:Lol. Deal with it bro, it isn't so bad


I guess you're right, I should be thankful to be here and not in pakistan (where I was born)

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Postby sinfiery » Tue May 07, 2013 1:08 pm

itachiuchiha wrote:(where I was born)

Same. Don't worry about the differences and just live your life man.

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Re: great great grandpa from egypt, am i a urm?

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Tue May 07, 2013 1:10 pm

lol not even close

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Postby TheThriller » Tue May 07, 2013 1:12 pm

As an upper middle class white male, I often face the difficult challenges as well.

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Re: great great grandpa from egypt, am i a urm?

Postby RSterling » Tue May 07, 2013 1:18 pm

itachiuchiha wrote:dammnit! it is sad that as a pakistani american i face challenges from islamophobes and am in the minority when it comes to race and ethnicity in the usa, but when it comes to law school admissions it is blacks and spanish who get the boost and not those who face even more challenges living in the states.

but this is a topic for another time


It's not about whether you are a minority in relation to the entire U.S. population. It's about whether you are underrepresented among students attending law school and then whether the percentage of SW Asian/Middle Eastern in the general population is similar to the percentage that make up law school students (I don't know how these percentages compare).

Asians are not considered URM because, while being a minority in the general U.S. population, are well-represented in law schools.

Also, I'd tread carefully about saying who faces "more challenges" in the United States. I can't say whether or not you're wrong, but that's an unproductive way to think about the situation as a whole. Latinos are also not "spanish." They just happen to speak Spanish for the most part.

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Postby hq2x » Tue May 07, 2013 1:32 pm

Out of curiosity, let's assume for a second that OP actually had a Nubian (or otherwise black) Egyptian great great grandfather? Would OP qualify for URM status? I guess I'm wondering if there is a "one drop rule," and if so, how far it extends.

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Postby 20141023 » Tue May 07, 2013 1:37 pm

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Postby howlery » Tue May 07, 2013 2:06 pm

kappycaft1 wrote:
hq2x wrote:Out of curiosity, let's assume for a second that OP actually had a Nubian (or otherwise black) Egyptian great great grandfather? Would OP qualify for URM status? I guess I'm wondering if there is a "one drop rule," and if so, how far it extends.

TSL wrote:The generally accepted threshold for claiming a race is ¼ (does not include Native Americans, which are a more grey area). Beyond that, claims of minority status tend to become a bit more dubious.

From here. Also, as you all probably know, nothing really prevents someone from "checking the box," but it can come back to bite them.


She wasn't disbarred and successfully secured a senate seat. Did it really come back to bite her? She should have been head of the consumer protection bureau, but not being appointed had more to do with politics than whether her "meemaw" was NA. I'm not advocating lying about one's URM status, but I don't think Warren is an example of what happens when you do lie.

It also seems like she honestly believed she was NA and had a long history of identifying that way. This should be seen differently than lying for a boost in law school admissions.

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Postby 20141023 » Tue May 07, 2013 2:13 pm

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Re: great great grandpa from egypt, am i a urm?

Postby howlery » Tue May 07, 2013 2:29 pm

kappycaft1 wrote:
howlery wrote:She wasn't disbarred and successfully secured a senate seat. Did it really come back to bite her? She should have been head of the consumer protection bureau, but not being appointed had more to do with politics than whether her "meemaw" was NA.

Well.... it came back to bite her in the sense that it gave the opposition some ammunition during the election. Outcomes aside, she took some flack for checking the box when she probably shouldn't have.


Fair enough. Although I doubt it would have come up if she weren't running for office and in fact it was only emphasized by Brown's campaign whenever he was down in the polls. Most law school graduates won't be seriously considered for the federal bench let alone a high-profile senate seat.

I'd like to see an example of someone who lied and faced actual consequences.

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Re: great great grandpa from egypt, am i a urm?

Postby glebe » Tue May 07, 2013 2:29 pm

itachiuchiha wrote:
sinfiery wrote:Lol. Deal with it bro, it isn't so bad


I guess you're right, I should be thankful to be here and not in pakistan (where I was born)


Good man. If you have the motivation, you can get into any law school you want. The only time URM status would truly help you is when your LSAT and GPA are not good enough.

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Re: great great grandpa from egypt, am i a urm?

Postby Total Litigator » Tue May 07, 2013 2:32 pm

glebe wrote:
itachiuchiha wrote:
sinfiery wrote:Lol. Deal with it bro, it isn't so bad


I guess you're right, I should be thankful to be here and not in pakistan (where I was born)


Good man. If you have the motivation, you can get into any law school you want. The only time URM status would truly help you is when your LSAT and GPA are not good enough.


Sage advice.

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Re: great great grandpa from egypt, am i a urm?

Postby northwood » Tue May 07, 2013 2:39 pm

don't let this thread fall down the trap of becoming an AA no aa thread......

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Re: great great grandpa from egypt, am i a urm?

Postby jas1503 » Tue May 07, 2013 2:44 pm

...So much struggle in this thread :lol: :lol:



Technically, the archaic-American system in place classifies Arabs as white non-URMs.

There are white (maybe harder to register for law school) URMs, but they don't come from the Middle-East.

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Postby 20141023 » Tue May 07, 2013 2:52 pm

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