MCL Law Dean wrote:reasonable_man wrote:MCL Law Dean wrote:reasonable_man wrote:Well I have to admit - this is interesting. And I don't know why - but I don't hate this dean.
I'm your daddy Mitch - not your mom. Get that straight.
All kidding aside, I'm an 08' grad of a 4th Tier ABA accredited school. I'm probably one of maybe 5 to 10 lawyers from my graduating class that is earning over 100K at this point in my career, despite the fact that the school pretty clearly implied that all of us would be where I am right now. Its shameful. So honestly, I have zero problem with what you're doing. $60,000 total tuition is a fair price for what you're offering (assuming what you say is true and students have ready access to jobs that start out at ~$50,000 per year). Frankly, your graduates are probably in a much better position than many of the 3rd and 4th tier ABA approved graduates floating around out there (who may or may not have access to a ~$50,000 per year job, but owe three times as much in student loans than your graduates).
Good work on your part and I fully agree regarding the false implications (or worse) regarding costs and job prospects. Back in the dark ages (late 1970's) when I went to law school (University of Houston), the entire program, including academic counseling and OCIs, was designed around an institutionalized model that pretended that everyone was top 5% and heading to BigLaw. Everyone else was considered invisible (or unworthy of attention/concern). I didn't agree with it then and I obviously still disagree with that limited view of law school now.
One clarification, I wouldn't characterize any starting law jobs as "readily available" . . . and at the risk of being painted as a typical sh*#tboomer by the TLS trolls, I counsel our graduates that practice skills, reputation, work ethic, previous experience (including externships, part-time, and clerkships), and networking are what create job opportunities. Even in a small community like ours (perhaps even more so), legal employers have choices and it is clearly a "buyers market". It takes planning, flexibility, creativity, and a dedicated effort to get any job worth having. That part hasn't changed.
I agree. I went to LS knowing that I was going to have to make it happen on my own (and that OCI and waiting for the school to help was not a viable option). I worked every semester of law school (while attending full time) at a small firm and over the summers at a bigger firm. Both were jobs that I landed on my own (and I had entered LS having already worked at a big firm for 2 years while in college. I think that the younger generation out there has to realize that no jobs are "readily available" right now in any field (especially law). Its takes a lot of careful positioning and hard work (in and out of the academic setting) to achieve any manner of success right now (as well as some luck).
With that said, the market for newly minted attorneys is very hard right now and so I would caution anyone reading this thread that right now, if you're thinking of attending this or any law school for that matter, that great thought and planning should go into how you are going to address the job issue. If you're going to attend law school be sure to do the things at the very beginning of your law school journey to ensure that you will have some opportunities at the end. And do the math on your investment assuming a job earning 40 or 50k (as the dean has indicated), and not a high-paying biglaw job.