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Penn or Michigan?

Poll ended at Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:05 pm

Penn
48
84%
Michigan
9
16%
 
Total votes: 57

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I think this is all silly

Postby Stark » Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:05 pm

Yes
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Re: Penn or Michigan?

Postby gaud » Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:06 pm

if you want east coast i'd go penn because it's on the east coast

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Re: Penn or Michigan?

Postby Stark » Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:13 pm

I want to end up there after graduation. I'm more flexible for law school. Is there much of an advantage in east coast placement in terms of the two?

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Re: Penn or Michigan?

Postby EvilClinton » Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:14 pm

Stark wrote:I want to end up there after graduation. I'm more flexible for law school. Is there much of an advantage in east coast placement in terms of the two?

Yes.

Read this.

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202589189668&interactive=true

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Re: Penn or Michigan?

Postby curious66 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:15 pm

EvilClinton wrote:
Stark wrote:I want to end up there after graduation. I'm more flexible for law school. Is there much of an advantage in east coast placement in terms of the two?

Yes.

Read this.

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202589189668&interactive=true

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True.. but if one of of them is giving you $$, then I would go there vs. paying sticker at the other.

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Re: Penn or Michigan?

Postby EvilClinton » Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:16 pm

curious66 wrote:
EvilClinton wrote:
Stark wrote:I want to end up there after graduation. I'm more flexible for law school. Is there much of an advantage in east coast placement in terms of the two?

Yes.

Read this.

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202589189668&interactive=true

/thread


True.. but if one of of them is giving you $$, then I would go there vs. paying sticker at the other.

Yeah but that is not this situation. Why are you changing the hypo?

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Re: Penn or Michigan?

Postby 20141023 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:34 pm

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Re: Penn or Michigan?

Postby Stark » Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:37 pm

This site is annoying
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Re: Penn or Michigan?

Postby banjo » Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:03 pm

Looking at all the recent numbers, Penn probably has a slight placement advantage, and seems to do very well on the east coast. I'd pick that at equal cost. Turning down a Darrow for Penn seems insane to me, but everyone's different.

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Re: Penn or Michigan?

Postby somewhatwayward » Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:18 pm

I would suggest Penn over Michigan in almost every situation. If you're aiming for public interest, it is more of a toss up, perhaps a slight edge to Michigan. If you are aiming for private sector work, Penn markedly outplaces Michigan. Regardless of the cause for this, the bottom line is that Penn placing 60% of its grads into NJ 250 firms means that firms regularly hire below median students at Penn. Because law school grading is so arbitrary, I would only feel comfortable going to a school where I felt I could still get a good job if I landed below median (note: it is still dicey below median at Penn, just less dicey than Mich or UVA).

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Re: Penn or Michigan?

Postby Nelson » Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:55 pm

With no scholarships? Neither. Retake the LSAT and put that 3.9 to better use.

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Re: Penn or Michigan?

Postby JamesDean1955 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:06 pm

Holy shit you are a URM with a 3.9.

PLEASE, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD RETAKE. And then enjoy Harvard or Yale 8)

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Re: Penn or Michigan?

Postby jselson » Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:12 pm

Penn, but like others have said, if you can wait, retake. HYS is right within your grasp, you just need to stretch a little farther.

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Re: Penn or Michigan?

Postby Rahviveh » Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:13 pm

JamesDean1955 wrote:Holy shit you are a URM with a 3.9.

PLEASE, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD RETAKE. And then enjoy Harvard or Yale 8)

If he's AA chances are he won't even need to retake. Surprised he has not gotten schollies from these schools yet.

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Re: Penn or Michigan?

Postby Stark » Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:18 pm

This is annoying
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Re: Penn or Michigan?

Postby Dr. Dre » Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:25 pm

ChampagnePapi wrote:
JamesDean1955 wrote:Holy shit you are a URM with a 3.9.

PLEASE, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD RETAKE. And then enjoy Harvard or Yale 8)

If he's AA chances are he won't even need to retake. Surprised he has not gotten schollies from these schools yet.


He is MA

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Re: Penn or Michigan?

Postby Stark » Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:26 pm

Dr. Dre wrote:
ChampagnePapi wrote:
JamesDean1955 wrote:Holy shit you are a URM with a 3.9.

PLEASE, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD RETAKE. And then enjoy Harvard or Yale 8)

If he's AA chances are he won't even need to retake. Surprised he has not gotten schollies from these schools yet.


He is MA


MA?

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Re: Penn or Michigan?

Postby Rahviveh » Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:29 pm

In that case then yeah retake in June and see you what you get. The URM boost for MAs is not as large

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Re: Penn or Michigan?

Postby JamesDean1955 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:37 pm

OP, what under represented minority class do you fall under, if you don't mind me asking?

Frankly I didn't even know the type of URM mattered, but I guess that's what others are saying.

EDIT: And you can still retake a 3rd time OP. Nothing to lose (other than the testing fee, which is inconsequential in the scheme of things).

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Re: Penn or Michigan?

Postby Stark » Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:42 pm

UGH
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Re: Penn or Michigan?

Postby Dr. Dre » Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:45 pm

Stark wrote:
JamesDean1955 wrote:OP, what under represented minority class do you fall under, if you don't mind me asking?

Frankly I didn't even know the type of URM mattered, but I guess that's what others are saying.


Cuban-American. Though I am not taking the LSAT again under any circumstance.

Plus Fisher, low-applicant year, I got too many other factors working this year.

Which is why I'm asking, Michigan or Penn?

Thanks for the help.


Penn.

Champagnepapi: do Cubans get the same boost as MA? That would be helpful to OP...

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Re: Penn or Michigan?

Postby Rahviveh » Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:04 pm

Dr. Dre wrote:
Stark wrote:
JamesDean1955 wrote:OP, what under represented minority class do you fall under, if you don't mind me asking?

Frankly I didn't even know the type of URM mattered, but I guess that's what others are saying.


Cuban-American. Though I am not taking the LSAT again under any circumstance.

Plus Fisher, low-applicant year, I got too many other factors working this year.

Which is why I'm asking, Michigan or Penn?

Thanks for the help.


Penn.

Champagnepapi: do Cubans get the same boost as MA? That would be helpful to OP...

No. Cuban is not URM, so that explains his cycle (although with 164, that does support the idea that "other Hispanics" still get a small boost since he was still able to crack the T10)

OP you realize you are passing up on the chance at HYS right? I already have a high lsat score and would do anything to be in your position to have an opportunity to retake. Just take it in June and see if you can score higher, it doesn't commit you to anything and you can reassess your position at that time.

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Re: Penn or Michigan?

Postby Dr. Dre » Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:19 pm

OP study for 7 months and take it in October. Get 170+ and celebrate your acceptance to YHS

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Re: Penn or Michigan?

Postby JamesDean1955 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:30 pm

OP, the most valuable advice (and most annoying) I ever got from TLS was to retake. I know how annoying it can be to hear this constantly, and that most people believe they simply can't take it again for one reason or another, but the truth is you can take it again, it is a learnable test, and just a few points can do wonders.

You are wasting that GPA and compromising your future. If I had a 3.8+ GPA, I would have retaken the LSAT again and again until I was HYS worthy (173+ for a non-URM like me). Unfortunately, my GPA, while not terrible, all but precludes this possibility unless I got a 177-180, which ain't happening. Law school isn't going anywhere, nor are applications going to increase significantly anytime soon.

EDIT: And if you won't take this advice, at equal price, Penn by a longshot.

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Re: Penn or Michigan?

Postby PRgradBYU » Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:18 am

If you're absolutely positive you can't get a higher LSAT score, go with Penn. If you think you're capable of even 2 or 3 points higher, RETAKE.




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