A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

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A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby CanILive » Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:54 pm

http://www.law.yale.edu/documents/pdf/C ... e_hour.pdf

A good honest breakdown.

Thoughts? Opinions?

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Re: A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby alwayssunnyinfl » Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:56 pm

CanILive wrote:http://www.law.yale.edu/documents/pdf/CDO_Public/cdo-billable_hour.pdf

A good honest breakdown.

Thoughts? Opinions?

I really don't like when they calculate commuting and lunch into "hours worked."

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Re: A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby jeffgarlin » Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:59 pm

alwayssunnyinfl wrote:
CanILive wrote:http://www.law.yale.edu/documents/pdf/CDO_Public/cdo-billable_hour.pdf

A good honest breakdown.

Thoughts? Opinions?

I really don't like when they calculate commuting and lunch into "hours worked."


Eh. I consider work all time elapsed from when I leave my apartment until I return.

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Re: A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby 06102016 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:59 pm

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Re: A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby alwayssunnyinfl » Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:01 am

jeffgarlin wrote:
alwayssunnyinfl wrote:
CanILive wrote:http://www.law.yale.edu/documents/pdf/CDO_Public/cdo-billable_hour.pdf

A good honest breakdown.

Thoughts? Opinions?

I really don't like when they calculate commuting and lunch into "hours worked."


Eh. I consider work all time elapsed from when I leave my apartment until I return.

Well, then, in that case I had no idea I regularly worked 70-80 hour work weeks.

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Re: A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby quakeroats » Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:23 am

If spending most of your time on work doesn't sound like fun, biglaw isn't for you long term. Don't go into this or a similar high-commitment field without understanding what will be expected of you. You'll be on call in some capacity 24/7 for the rest of your time at the firm. Of that, you can expect to work about 60-90 hours in a given week with lots depending on the specifics of your situation. You will almost certainly pull the occasional 100+ hour week, but also a number at 40 hours or fewer. If you find the work you do and a chance to build that work into a marketable business really interesting, it's quite possibly worth the effort. If not, put in your 2-3 years and find something more amenable.

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Re: A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby PRgradBYU » Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:25 am

jeffgarlin wrote:
alwayssunnyinfl wrote:
CanILive wrote:http://www.law.yale.edu/documents/pdf/CDO_Public/cdo-billable_hour.pdf

A good honest breakdown.

Thoughts? Opinions?

I really don't like when they calculate commuting and lunch into "hours worked."


Eh. I consider work all time elapsed from when I leave my apartment until I return.


Seriously?

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Re: A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby HawkeyeGirl » Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:30 am

If you do this all year long, and we assume:
3 weeks vacation
2 weeks holiday
No sick days or personal days


5 weeks off during the year? That seems absurd to me.....

Edit: Absurd as in a lot. I would expect to take about 2 weeks off total. (I've only taken 6 days of vacation since July 2011, so that's my basis for that claim).

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Re: A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby holdencaulfield » Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:34 am

I'm at a midsize firm and "A. The Full Time Job" very accurately describes my schedule. The only exception is that I take about half the vacation/holiday time.

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Re: A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby HawkeyeGirl » Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:42 am

Another thing to note is that if you're busy and find what you're doing mildly interesting, working 12+ hours a day flies by.

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Re: A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby BelugaWhale » Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:44 am

HawkeyeGirl wrote:Another thing to note is that if you're busy and find what you're doing mildly interesting, working 12+ hours a day flies by.

I find this hard to believe.

I love playing skyrim, I played it once for 10< hours a day, wanted to kill myself at the end of it.

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Re: A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby HawkeyeGirl » Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:47 am

BelugaWhale wrote:
HawkeyeGirl wrote:Another thing to note is that if you're busy and find what you're doing mildly interesting, working 12+ hours a day flies by.

I find this hard to believe.

I love playing skyrim, I played it once for 10< hours a day, wanted to kill myself at the end of it.


I currently do this on a regular basis, except it's usually 14+ hours per day. If you have a giant pile of work to do, and it requires a little bit of brain power, you're not bored all day, you're stressed out that you don't have enough time to get everything that needs to be done done. At least in my 1.5 years of experience, I've found that to be the case.

Edit: Experience NOT as a lawyer, but in another demanding field.

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Re: A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby BelugaWhale » Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:49 am

HawkeyeGirl wrote:
BelugaWhale wrote:
HawkeyeGirl wrote:Another thing to note is that if you're busy and find what you're doing mildly interesting, working 12+ hours a day flies by.

I find this hard to believe.

I love playing skyrim, I played it once for 10< hours a day, wanted to kill myself at the end of it.


I currently do this on a regular basis, except it's usually 14+ hours per day. If you have a giant pile of work to do, and it requires a little bit of brain power, you're not bored all day, you're stressed out that you don't have enough time to get everything that needs to be done done. At least in my 1.5 years of experience, I've found that to be the case.

so you're saying

"hey belugawhale! don't worry, you won't be bored because you'll be so stressed!"

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Re: A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby alwayssunnyinfl » Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:50 am

Have you ever had a job? It's a little different than playing skyrim.

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Re: A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby HawkeyeGirl » Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:51 am

BelugaWhale wrote:so you're saying

"hey belugawhale! don't worry, you won't be bored because you'll be so stressed!"


I'm currently drinking a giant glass of wine because I've been so stressed out from work, so yes :D

BUT! I'm not a lawyer. I'm in a different field that works similar if not more hours than lawyers. So maybe lawyers aren't as stressed as bankers :)

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Re: A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby BelugaWhale » Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:52 am

alwayssunnyinfl wrote:Have you ever had a job? It's a little different than playing skyrim.

i was a professional gamer...

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Re: A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby thisiswater » Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:57 am

HawkeyeGirl wrote:
If you do this all year long, and we assume:
3 weeks vacation
2 weeks holiday
No sick days or personal days


5 weeks off during the year? That seems absurd to me.....

Edit: Absurd as in a lot. I would expect to take about 2 weeks off total. (I've only taken 6 days of vacation since July 2011, so that's my basis for that claim).


not ever taking a vacation seems tragic to me.

and the 2 weeks of holidays is public holidays- new years day, mlk, presidents day (i know our new york firm had both), memorial, the 4th, labor, 2 at thanksiving and 2 at christmas = 2 weeks

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Re: A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby HawkeyeGirl » Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:03 am

thisiswater wrote:not ever taking a vacation seems tragic to me.

and the 2 weeks of holidays is public holidays- new years day, mlk, presidents day (i know our new york firm had both), memorial, the 4th, labor, 2 at thanksiving and 2 at christmas = 2 weeks


Yeah, my current job blows. (Case in point: working 20 hours on presidents day, which we had "officially" off).

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Re: A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby Crowing » Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:04 am

BelugaWhale wrote:
alwayssunnyinfl wrote:Have you ever had a job? It's a little different than playing skyrim.

i was a professional gamer...


That's still a little different from playing Skyrim though. I would probably want to kill myself if I had to play something like SC or LoL 10+ hours/day.

Anyways I just assumed biglaw would be 7 days a week, 9 to like midnight every day. As long as I'm not getting up early I don't really care.

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Re: A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby 09042014 » Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:10 am

alwayssunnyinfl wrote:Have you ever had a job? It's a little different than playing skyrim.


Skyrim is so much better than working.

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Re: A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby BelugaWhale » Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:13 am

Desert Fox wrote:
alwayssunnyinfl wrote:Have you ever had a job? It's a little different than playing skyrim.


Skyrim is so much better than working.

gets crappy after hour 15

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Re: A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby Crowing » Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:13 am

Desert Fox wrote:
alwayssunnyinfl wrote:Have you ever had a job? It's a little different than playing skyrim.


Skyrim is so much better than working.


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Re: A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby 09042014 » Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:13 am

BelugaWhale wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
alwayssunnyinfl wrote:Have you ever had a job? It's a little different than playing skyrim.


Skyrim is so much better than working.

gets crappy after hour 15


Work get crappy before you even start it.

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Re: A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby alwayssunnyinfl » Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:17 am

Desert Fox wrote:
BelugaWhale wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
alwayssunnyinfl wrote:Have you ever had a job? It's a little different than playing skyrim.


Skyrim is so much better than working.

gets crappy after hour 15


Work get crappy before you even start it.

Seriously.

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Re: A Breakdown Of The Billable Hour from Yale

Postby jeffgarlin » Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:20 am

PRgradBYU wrote:
jeffgarlin wrote:
alwayssunnyinfl wrote:
CanILive wrote:http://www.law.yale.edu/documents/pdf/CDO_Public/cdo-billable_hour.pdf

A good honest breakdown.

Thoughts? Opinions?

I really don't like when they calculate commuting and lunch into "hours worked."


Eh. I consider work all time elapsed from when I leave my apartment until I return.


Seriously?


I don't add my total commute time to working hours and claim that's how much I worked. I just don't mentally feel like I'm done with work until I'm home for the day. Commuting sucks.




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