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waiving rights to see LoR

Postby itachiuchiha » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:05 am

is it worth doing? what is the benefit of it? would it help in admissions even in the slightest?

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Re: waiving rights to see LoR

Postby ph14 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:06 am

itachiuchiha wrote:is it worth doing? what is the benefit of it? would it help in admissions even in the slightest?


Just do it.

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Re: waiving rights to see LoR

Postby itachiuchiha » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:09 am

ph14 wrote:
itachiuchiha wrote:is it worth doing? what is the benefit of it? would it help in admissions even in the slightest?


Just do it.


you sound like a nike commercial... any reason why I should?

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Re: waiving rights to see LoR

Postby Dany » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:10 am

Yes you waive it. The benefit is that professors will be more candid/honest if the applicant can't see what they wrote, and therefore admissions committee members put more weight on letters with the waiver.

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Re: waiving rights to see LoR

Postby gaud » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:16 am

Dany wrote:Yes you waive it. The benefit is that professors will be more candid/honest if the applicant can't see what they wrote, and therefore admissions committee members put more weight on letters with the waiver.


Yep.

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Re: waiving rights to see LoR

Postby ph14 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:19 am

itachiuchiha wrote:
ph14 wrote:
itachiuchiha wrote:is it worth doing? what is the benefit of it? would it help in admissions even in the slightest?


Just do it.


you sound like a nike commercial... any reason why I should?


I assumed the reasons are obvious and you were just reluctant to cede the control.

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Re: waiving rights to see LoR

Postby itachiuchiha » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:20 am

ph14 wrote:
itachiuchiha wrote:
ph14 wrote:
itachiuchiha wrote:is it worth doing? what is the benefit of it? would it help in admissions even in the slightest?


Just do it.


you sound like a nike commercial... any reason why I should?


I assumed the reasons are obvious and you were just reluctant to cede the control.


actually, last time i had a letter written it sucked http://postimage.org/image/4ahker1cb/
so I am hesitant to waive my rights

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Re: waiving rights to see LoR

Postby ph14 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:23 am

itachiuchiha wrote:
ph14 wrote:
itachiuchiha wrote:you sound like a nike commercial... any reason why I should?


I assumed the reasons are obvious and you were just reluctant to cede the control.


actually, last time i had a letter written it sucked http://postimage.org/image/4ahker1cb/
so I am hesitant to waive my rights


I mean, that's what I imagine an average LOR looks like.

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Re: waiving rights to see LoR

Postby Crowing » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:53 am

itachiuchiha wrote:
actually, last time i had a letter written it sucked http://postimage.org/image/4ahker1cb/
so I am hesitant to waive my rights


:lol: :lol: :lol:

can't say i blame you lolol

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Re: waiving rights to see LoR

Postby Dany » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:56 am

That letter is not that awful. I've read way worse.

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Re: waiving rights to see LoR

Postby SaintsTheMetal » Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:34 am

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Re: waiving rights to see LoR

Postby dr123 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:37 am

IMO, you shouldn't ask someone for an LOR if you aren't comfortable w/ waiving your right to see it.

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Re: waiving rights to see LoR

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:45 am

dr123 wrote:IMO, you shouldn't ask someone for an LOR if you aren't comfortable w/ waiving your right to see it.


+1... Pick someone whom you know will right a good letter... aka, someone who likes you and who knows you. If you do not have said people, postpone applying to law school and get buddy-buddy with some profs this semester

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Re: waiving rights to see LoR

Postby Ti Malice » Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:51 am

itachiuchiha wrote:actually, last time i had a letter written it sucked http://postimage.org/image/4ahker1cb/
so I am hesitant to waive my rights


The reaction you got in that thread was just stupid. Those posters seem to have no idea what the common "bad" LOR looks like. By no means is that a great letter, but it's only a bad letter for four or five schools at most. It won't hurt you anywhere else.

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Re: waiving rights to see LoR

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:12 am

Ti Malice wrote:
itachiuchiha wrote:actually, last time i had a letter written it sucked http://postimage.org/image/4ahker1cb/
so I am hesitant to waive my rights


The reaction you got in that thread was just stupid. Those posters seem to have no idea what the common "bad" LOR looks like. By no means is that a great letter, but it's only a bad letter for four or five schools at most. It won't hurt you anywhere else.


Maybe that letter cuts it at the shiTTTy school that some call Yale, but out here in the real world, not so much.

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Re: waiving rights to see LoR

Postby Ti Malice » Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:24 am

ManOfTheMinute wrote:
Ti Malice wrote:
itachiuchiha wrote:actually, last time i had a letter written it sucked http://postimage.org/image/4ahker1cb/
so I am hesitant to waive my rights


The reaction you got in that thread was just stupid. Those posters seem to have no idea what the common "bad" LOR looks like. By no means is that a great letter, but it's only a bad letter for four or five schools at most. It won't hurt you anywhere else.


Maybe that letter cuts it at the shiTTTy school that some call Yale, but out here in the real world, not so much.


Harhar.

That letter would be just fine at any school not named Yale, Stanford, Harvard, Chicago, or Berkeley. No other school cares about LORs unless they raise red flags. Your average letter contains no comparative element. The fact that prof says (twice) that OP was the best student in the class immediately elevates this above the majority of LORs. The comment that OP "excelled" in his analytical written work counts for something as well. The letter is absolutely serviceable for all law schools but the ones named above.

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Re: waiving rights to see LoR

Postby Dany » Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:26 am

I honestly don't even think it's a dealbreaker for Chicago. That letter is mediocre but not necessarily damaging. You guys underestimate how truly awful some letters can be.

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Re: waiving rights to see LoR

Postby Ti Malice » Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:35 am

Dany wrote:I honestly don't even think it's a dealbreaker for Chicago. That letter is mediocre but not necessarily damaging. You guys underestimate how truly awful some letters can be.


I think you're probably right on the first point. I just included Chicago because the class size is small enough for them to be able to be a little pickier. Regardless, you're absolutely correct on the rest.

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Re: waiving rights to see LoR

Postby Crowing » Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:24 am

That other thread was kind of funny. A few people say the LoR is mediocre, try to find another, etc. and slowly the hivemind evolves the thread into "this is the worst LoR ever and will get you rejected from law school."

Now the OP seems shellshocked. I can understand the neuroticism; I waived my rights but 3/4 professors showed me their LoRs anyway by their own initiatives. To this day I wonder in the back of my head if that 4th one had some sinister thing to say :lol:

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Re: waiving rights to see LoR

Postby rouser » Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:59 am

dr123 wrote:IMO, you shouldn't ask someone for an LOR if you aren't comfortable w/ waiving your right to see it.

+1

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Re: waiving rights to see LoR

Postby cinephile » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:59 am

Dany wrote:I honestly don't even think it's a dealbreaker for Chicago. That letter is mediocre but not necessarily damaging. You guys underestimate how truly awful some letters can be.


Exactly. This was just fine. I knew a girl once (back in high school) whose recommender wrote that she although she did well in her high school English class, she wasn't emotionally mature enough to handle college. So, you're just fine.

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Re: waiving rights to see LoR

Postby itachiuchiha » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:32 pm

ManOfTheMinute wrote:
dr123 wrote:IMO, you shouldn't ask someone for an LOR if you aren't comfortable w/ waiving your right to see it.


+1... Pick someone whom you know will right a good letter... aka, someone who likes you and who knows you. If you do not have said people, postpone applying to law school and get buddy-buddy with some profs this semester



Do you really think that law school is worth putting off if one cant get a measly letter?

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Re: waiving rights to see LoR

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:38 pm

itachiuchiha wrote:
ManOfTheMinute wrote:
dr123 wrote:IMO, you shouldn't ask someone for an LOR if you aren't comfortable w/ waiving your right to see it.


+1... Pick someone whom you know will right a good letter... aka, someone who likes you and who knows you. If you do not have said people, postpone applying to law school and get buddy-buddy with some profs this semester



Do you really think that law school is worth putting off if one cant get a measly letter?


Depends where you want to go... consensus seems to be so long as its nto HYS, Chicago, or Berkeley, its fine. I see the merits of that POV

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Re: waiving rights to see LoR

Postby b123 » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:33 pm

Crowing wrote:That other thread was kind of funny. A few people say the LoR is mediocre, try to find another, etc. and slowly the hivemind evolves the thread into "this is the worst LoR ever and will get you rejected from law school."



:lol: :lol:

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Re: waiving rights to see LoR

Postby bosmer88 » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:11 pm

That LOR, while not sterling, is not bad OP. I read a LOR where the professor explicitly stated that he doubted the applicant could handle the rigors of law school and was a poor student in his class. That is one *bad* LOR. Probably the worst I read/heard about. Felt bad for the applicant since the professor should have just declined to write on the student's behalf.




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