LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

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Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

Postby justonemoregame » Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:39 pm

Damn, the admit rate this year will probably be 80%

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Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

Postby MikeSpivey » Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:44 pm

justonemoregame wrote:Damn, the admit rate this year will probably be 80%


I think even slightly higher.

I wonder, by comparison, what the admit rate to all medical schools is...

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Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

Postby justonemoregame » Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:00 pm

MikeSpivey wrote:
justonemoregame wrote:Damn, the admit rate this year will probably be 80%


I think even slightly higher.

I wonder, by comparison, what the admit rate to all medical schools is...



Looks like about 45%: --LinkRemoved--

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Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

Postby ScottRiqui » Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:46 pm

JXander wrote:http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/law-school_applicants_drop_for_third_year_in_a_row/


Just read the article. Loved this part from Georgetown's dean of admissions:

“That group of people who weren’t as committed just aren’t applying now,” Cornblatt told the Post.


Yeah, it's not that they came to their fucking senses, it's that they "weren't committed".

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Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

Postby Presidentjlh » Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:48 pm

ScottRiqui wrote:
JXander wrote:http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/law-school_applicants_drop_for_third_year_in_a_row/


Just read the article. Loved this part from Georgetown's dean of admissions:

“That group of people who weren’t as committed just aren’t applying now,” Cornblatt told the Post.


Yeah, it's not that they came to their fucking senses, it's that they "weren't committed".

Well, Cornblatt's right, they weren't committed.

Committed to taking on useless debt with little prospect at paying it off, that is.

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Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

Postby bcandybc » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:05 am

Updated cycle stats:

As of 06/28/13, there are 380,429 Fall 2013 applications submitted by 57,772 applicants. Applicants are down 12.9% and applications are down 18.3% from 2012.

Last year at this time, we had 98% of the preliminary final applicant count.

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Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

Postby RetakeFrenzy » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:19 am

bcandybc wrote:Updated cycle stats:

As of 06/28/13, there are 380,429 Fall 2013 applications submitted by 57,772 applicants. Applicants are down 12.9% and applications are down 18.3% from 2012.

Last year at this time, we had 98% of the preliminary final applicant count.


Last year at this time, we had 99% of the preliminary final application count.

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Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

Postby JasonH » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:22 pm

RetakeFrenzy wrote:
bcandybc wrote:Updated cycle stats:

As of 06/28/13, there are 380,429 Fall 2013 applications submitted by 57,772 applicants. Applicants are down 12.9% and applications are down 18.3% from 2012.

Last year at this time, we had 98% of the preliminary final applicant count.


Last year at this time, we had 99% of the preliminary final application count.


I wonder if we will see a spike over last year due to many schools accepting the june LSAT.

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Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

Postby MikeSpivey » Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:31 pm

Here it is:

LSAC has released test taker data for the June LSAT. 23,997 individuals took the June test, down 1,226 - 4.9% - from June 2012. The number of first-time takers was down about 5% compared to June 2012.

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Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

Postby John_rizzy_rawls » Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:32 pm

Went down another 5%?

Damn.

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Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

Postby Humbert Humbert » Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:57 pm

:D :D :D

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Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

Postby Happy Gilmore » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:47 pm

I would say this is good news for applicants? Bad news for John Marshal/Cooley

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Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

Postby NoWorries » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:28 pm

MikeSpivey wrote:Here it is:

LSAC has released test taker data for the June LSAT. 23,997 individuals took the June test, down 1,226 - 4.9% - from June 2012. The number of first-time takers was down about 5% compared to June 2012.


:mrgreen:

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Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

Postby zman » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:34 pm

NoWorries wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:Here it is:

LSAC has released test taker data for the June LSAT. 23,997 individuals took the June test, down 1,226 - 4.9% - from June 2012. The number of first-time takers was down about 5% compared to June 2012.


:mrgreen:


link?

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Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

Postby nothingtosee » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:33 pm

MikeSpivey wrote:Here it is:

LSAC has released test taker data for the June LSAT. 23,997 individuals took the June test, down 1,226 - 4.9% - from June 2012. The number of first-time takers was down about 5% compared to June 2012.


Excellent.

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Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

Postby Happy Gilmore » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:35 pm

Is there a link? didn't see the numbers on LSAC but maybe I looked in the wrong place.

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Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

Postby MikeSpivey » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:44 pm

I don't think it is up on LSAC.org yet but they did release those numbers to various sundry sorts.


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Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

Postby rftdd888 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:09 am

questions: how much of an advantage are these tremendous drops in applications over the last two cycles to new applicants? I have noticed that, for example, applicants on LSN with a particular GPA were more successful with lower LSATs in this most recent cycle than similar GPAs were in 2011-2012. Should one reasonably expect that the supply of top scores (170+) will become even more scarce in the near future? If so, can a high-scoring applicant expect better odds than say, if they applied three years earlier?

thanks!

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Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

Postby Happy Gilmore » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:11 pm

rftdd888 wrote:questions: how much of an advantage are these tremendous drops in applications over the last two cycles to new applicants? I have noticed that, for example, applicants on LSN with a particular GPA were more successful with lower LSATs in this most recent cycle than similar GPAs were in 2011-2012. Should one reasonably expect that the supply of top scores (170+) will become even more scarce in the near future? If so, can a high-scoring applicant expect better odds than say, if they applied three years earlier?

thanks!


There may be a marginal difference, but if you mean high scorer as when it comes to HYS, the difference will be very little to none. The same is probably true for the T6, but possibly the bottom half of the T14 may drop off a bit, but I don't think it would ever be any more than a 1 point drop off.

We will have a better idea when class info gets released this fall.

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Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

Postby MikeSpivey » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:56 pm

Happy Gilmore wrote:
rftdd888 wrote:questions: how much of an advantage are these tremendous drops in applications over the last two cycles to new applicants? I have noticed that, for example, applicants on LSN with a particular GPA were more successful with lower LSATs in this most recent cycle than similar GPAs were in 2011-2012. Should one reasonably expect that the supply of top scores (170+) will become even more scarce in the near future? If so, can a high-scoring applicant expect better odds than say, if they applied three years earlier?

thanks!


There may be a marginal difference, but if you mean high scorer as when it comes to HYS, the difference will be very little to none. The same is probably true for the T6, but possibly the bottom half of the T14 may drop off a bit, but I don't think it would ever be any more than a 1 point drop off.

We will have a better idea when class info gets released this fall.



Agree on HYS, there is a boost over the past three years but things at the top are more inelastic. I think that outside of T3, however, you are seeing more of a fight for a limited number of applicants at the top (keep in mind the two largest LSAT bandwidth drops-offs are 170-175 and 176-180), so you see worse selectivity and hiring scholarships, even at T4-T6.

What is of interest to me is that the correlation between June LSAT and total cycle applications does not seem that tight looking at the data: http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/data/ ... stered.asp

So I think this is, of course, good news for applicants but I am not quite ready to declare the 2013/14 cycle the best ever --yet.

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Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

Postby Happy Gilmore » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:50 pm

MikeSpivey wrote:
Happy Gilmore wrote:
rftdd888 wrote:questions: how much of an advantage are these tremendous drops in applications over the last two cycles to new applicants? I have noticed that, for example, applicants on LSN with a particular GPA were more successful with lower LSATs in this most recent cycle than similar GPAs were in 2011-2012. Should one reasonably expect that the supply of top scores (170+) will become even more scarce in the near future? If so, can a high-scoring applicant expect better odds than say, if they applied three years earlier?

thanks!


There may be a marginal difference, but if you mean high scorer as when it comes to HYS, the difference will be very little to none. The same is probably true for the T6, but possibly the bottom half of the T14 may drop off a bit, but I don't think it would ever be any more than a 1 point drop off.

We will have a better idea when class info gets released this fall.



Agree on HYS, there is a boost over the past three years but things at the top are more inelastic. I think that outside of T3, however, you are seeing more of a fight for a limited number of applicants at the top (keep in mind the two largest LSAT bandwidth drops-offs are 170-175 and 176-180), so you see worse selectivity and hiring scholarships, even at T4-T6.

What is of interest to me is that the correlation between June LSAT and total cycle applications does not seem that tight looking at the data: http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/data/ ... stered.asp

So I think this is, of course, good news for applicants but I am not quite ready to declare the 2013/14 cycle the best ever --yet.



When people keep saying the biggest drop in LSATs is the 170s, are they computing it themselves by going, a 170 is the 97th percentile and then taking 3% of the overall test takers, or does LSAC release a breakdown of applicants by scoring range. I've read 1 study that broke it down, but I couldn't find her source documents.

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Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

Postby MikeSpivey » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:08 pm

Happy, LSAC provided that to law school admissions deans and then I leaked it on my twitter and blog.

Here you go:

http://spiveyconsulting.com/blog/lsac-data-as-of-531/

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Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

Postby jrsbaseball5 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:16 pm

MikeSpivey wrote:Here it is:

LSAC has released test taker data for the June LSAT. 23,997 individuals took the June test, down 1,226 - 4.9% - from June 2012. The number of first-time takers was down about 5% compared to June 2012.


Are the number of June test takers usually the highest? Meaning is it likely that if June test takers are down is it likely the whole cycle will be down?

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Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%

Postby ScottRiqui » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:24 pm

jrsbaseball5 wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:Here it is:

LSAC has released test taker data for the June LSAT. 23,997 individuals took the June test, down 1,226 - 4.9% - from June 2012. The number of first-time takers was down about 5% compared to June 2012.


Are the number of June test takers usually the highest? Meaning is it likely that if June test takers are down is it likely the whole cycle will be down?


October usually has the most takers. Percentage-wise, June 2012 had a drop of 5.9% over June 2011, and the October/December/February tests after June 2012 had drops of 16.4%, 15.6% and 12.9% respectively compared to the same administrations a year earlier.

June 2013 was "only" a 4.9% drop compared to June 2012, but the drop might have been lessened because of people taking the June LSAT to apply for school *this* fall, which hasn't always been an option in years past. I'd be surprised if the upcoming October/December/February test don't show at least double-digit drops compared to their previous administrations.




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