Very interesting - thanks. All of that data is from March/April of 2012, so I'm morbidly curious to see what the most-recent year's numbers will look like.Clearlynotstefan wrote:Whoops, knew I forgot something.ScottRiqui wrote:Any update on this?Clearlynotstefan wrote:It's happening and it's not slightly, I'll post the data when I'm not mobile.KevinP wrote:Interesting thing is google trends shows a decline for lsat/law school, etc. The relatively small decline for June might be masked by schools accepting applicants later (hence people taking tests in June instead of waiting for October). I'm fairly confident we'll see the decline continue, and I wouldn't be surprised if the decline was in the double digits for October.
Looking at these charts (http://www.cambridgelsat.com/resources/ ... les-table/), it does seem as if for 2013 potential top scorers are disproportionately opting out of taking the LSAT, even if slightly.
[charts]
LSAC: Applicants: -15.9% Forum
- ScottRiqui
- Posts: 3633
- Joined: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:09 pm
Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%
-
- Posts: 13
- Joined: Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:38 am
Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%
first update of the new cycle from LSAC:
http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/data/ ... ear-volume
As of 12/06/13, there are 90,032 Fall 2014 applications submitted by 14,171 applicants.
Applicants are down 13.6% from 2013.
Applications are down 15.7% from 2013.
http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/data/ ... ear-volume
As of 12/06/13, there are 90,032 Fall 2014 applications submitted by 14,171 applicants.
Applicants are down 13.6% from 2013.
Applications are down 15.7% from 2013.
- Young Marino
- Posts: 1136
- Joined: Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:36 pm
Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%
I've been toying with the idea of deferring a year and matriculating in the fall of 2015 for this very reason. The market seems to be correcting itself so is it plausible to assume that class of 2017 and 2018 grads will have better employment prospects than the classes of 2008-2011 which has been dubbed by some as "The Lost Generation" of lawyers?bcandybc wrote:first update of the new cycle from LSAC:
http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/data/ ... ear-volume
As of 12/06/13, there are 90,032 Fall 2014 applications submitted by 14,171 applicants.
Applicants are down 13.6% from 2013.
Applications are down 15.7% from 2013.
- Tiago Splitter
- Posts: 17148
- Joined: Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:20 am
Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%
It won't make much difference if you're gunning for Biglaw but if you'd be happy with any legal job then yes things will definitely be better.Young Marino wrote:I've been toying with the idea of deferring a year and matriculating in the fall of 2015 for this very reason. The market seems to be correcting itself so is it plausible to assume that class of 2017 and 2018 grads will have better employment prospects than the classes of 2008-2011 which has been dubbed by some as "The Lost Generation" of lawyers?bcandybc wrote:first update of the new cycle from LSAC:
http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/data/ ... ear-volume
As of 12/06/13, there are 90,032 Fall 2014 applications submitted by 14,171 applicants.
Applicants are down 13.6% from 2013.
Applications are down 15.7% from 2013.
Great to see these updated numbers.
- John_rizzy_rawls
- Posts: 3468
- Joined: Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:44 pm
Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%
Down another 15% from 2013. That's actually a little shocking.
Want to continue reading?
Register now to search topics and post comments!
Absolutely FREE!
Already a member? Login
-
- Posts: 91
- Joined: Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:15 pm
Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%
And yet USC still has me complete 10/28. Cruel.John_rizzy_rawls wrote:Down another 15% from 2013. That's actually a little shocking.
I wonder if getting into T1 schools will be approximately 15% easier too, or whether this year a higher percent of them will start intentionally decreasing class size.
- Happy Gilmore
- Posts: 314
- Joined: Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:24 pm
Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%
It may go down slightly but I wouldn't expect it to drop anywhere near 15% thoughrstahl wrote:And yet USC still has me complete 10/28. Cruel.John_rizzy_rawls wrote:Down another 15% from 2013. That's actually a little shocking.
I wonder if getting into T1 schools will be approximately 15% easier too, or whether this year a higher percent of them will start intentionally decreasing class size.
- John_rizzy_rawls
- Posts: 3468
- Joined: Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:44 pm
Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%
USC and most top schools are doling out decisions later, on average, this yearrstahl wrote:And yet USC still has me complete 10/28. Cruel.John_rizzy_rawls wrote:Down another 15% from 2013. That's actually a little shocking.
I wonder if getting into T1 schools will be approximately 15% easier too, or whether this year a higher percent of them will start intentionally decreasing class size.
- romothesavior
- Posts: 14692
- Joined: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:29 pm
Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%
It really is. I thought it would normalize after last year.John_rizzy_rawls wrote:Down another 15% from 2013. That's actually a little shocking.
- BLUERUFiO
- Posts: 149
- Joined: Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:46 pm
Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%
This makes me so happy as someone filling out apps in January. Come on LSAT score, you know you want to be stellar! I hope this correction equates to better job prospects for the class of 2017. I bet it does.
- KevinP
- Posts: 1322
- Joined: Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:56 pm
Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%
Fyi, in terms of YTD percentages, most of the decline was from the < 140 group. 170-174 saw a relatively small decrease, and 175+ had >10% increase.*
*as of 12/06/13
*as of 12/06/13
-
- Posts: 59
- Joined: Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:44 am
Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%
.
Last edited by Split90 on Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:44 am, edited 1 time in total.
Register now!
Resources to assist law school applicants, students & graduates.
It's still FREE!
Already a member? Login
- RhymesLikeDimes
- Posts: 403
- Joined: Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:58 pm
Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%
Better applicants are more likely to apply early, so this will probably correct itself in the coming months.KevinP wrote:Fyi, in terms of YTD percentages, most of the decline was from the < 140 group. 170-174 saw a relatively small decrease, and 175+ had >10% increase.*
*as of 12/06/13
Or were you comparing YTD 2013 to this point in 2012?
-
- Posts: 44
- Joined: Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:48 am
Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%
could you link a source on the 170-174 175+ numbers
-
- Posts: 148
- Joined: Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:43 pm
-
- Posts: 59
- Joined: Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:44 am
Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%
I see. So that ptc change is between last year and this year. Not to mention 175 + is 99.4% and above of all test takers--which means they are not that many to begin with. So even a slight increase of the number in that score range group could give us a false impression.
Nice. A real-life number and percentage trick.
Unlikely to play against us. I think.
Nice. A real-life number and percentage trick.
Unlikely to play against us. I think.
Get unlimited access to all forums and topics
Register now!
I'm pretty sure I told you it's FREE...
Already a member? Login
- jbagelboy
- Posts: 10361
- Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:57 pm
Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%
Could it also indicate that people with scores lower than 140 are starting to wise up about the market, realize its not worth applying in that range, and retake or drop it altogether? Maybe this is just wishful thinking but the "crisis of legal education" has received so much press recentlyRhymesLikeDimes wrote:Better applicants are more likely to apply early, so this will probably correct itself in the coming months.KevinP wrote:Fyi, in terms of YTD percentages, most of the decline was from the < 140 group. 170-174 saw a relatively small decrease, and 175+ had >10% increase.*
*as of 12/06/13
Or were you comparing YTD 2013 to this point in 2012?
-
- Posts: 3070
- Joined: Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:17 am
Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%
.
Last edited by 20141023 on Sun Feb 15, 2015 9:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.
- BLUERUFiO
- Posts: 149
- Joined: Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:46 pm
Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%
What is the reasoning for this? The lower performers wait till February to take the LSAT?
Communicate now with those who not only know what a legal education is, but can offer you worthy advice and commentary as you complete the three most educational, yet challenging years of your law related post graduate life.
Register now, it's still FREE!
Already a member? Login
-
- Posts: 3070
- Joined: Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:17 am
Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%
.
Last edited by 20141023 on Sun Feb 15, 2015 9:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.
- KevinP
- Posts: 1322
- Joined: Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:56 pm
Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%
YTD 2013 vs YTD 2012RhymesLikeDimes wrote:Better applicants are more likely to apply early, so this will probably correct itself in the coming months.KevinP wrote:Fyi, in terms of YTD percentages, most of the decline was from the < 140 group. 170-174 saw a relatively small decrease, and 175+ had >10% increase.*
*as of 12/06/13
Or were you comparing YTD 2013 to this point in 2012?
- Clearly
- Posts: 4189
- Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:09 pm
Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%
This isn't a trick, and its not flawed...it's the nature of statistics at the margins...Split90 wrote:I see. So that ptc change is between last year and this year. Not to mention 175 + is 99.4% and above of all test takers--which means they are not that many to begin with. So even a slight increase of the number in that score range group could give us a false impression.
Nice. A real-life number and percentage trick.
Unlikely to play against us. I think.
- ScottRiqui
- Posts: 3633
- Joined: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:09 pm
Re: LSAC: Applicants: -15.9%
Exactly. My statistics prof used to call it "the tyranny of small numbers".Clearly wrote:This isn't a trick, and its not flawed...it's the nature of statistics at the margins...Split90 wrote:I see. So that ptc change is between last year and this year. Not to mention 175 + is 99.4% and above of all test takers--which means they are not that many to begin with. So even a slight increase of the number in that score range group could give us a false impression.
Nice. A real-life number and percentage trick.
Unlikely to play against us. I think.
Seriously? What are you waiting for?
Now there's a charge.
Just kidding ... it's still FREE!
Already a member? Login