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Re: offensive post

Postby donmincho » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:47 pm

I think there's a substantive difference between 'anything some people will find offensive' and a thing which many people acutely feel as a form of real oppression. That was my point about systematized violence. Jokes about politics may piss people off, but political opinion is not oppressive. Jokes about slavery are widely considered off limits, even by many comedians, which I think says a lot. My point is that domestic violence should have the same protection.

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Re: offensive post

Postby mephistopheles » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:49 pm

donmincho wrote:I think there's a substantive difference between 'anything some people will find offensive' and a thing which many people acutely feel as a form of real oppression. That was my point about systematized violence. Jokes about politics may piss people off, but political opinion is not oppressive. Jokes about slavery are widely considered off limits, even by many comedians, which I think says a lot. My point is that domestic violence should have the same protection.



since when are jokes about slavery off limits?

you must have very good selective listening skills.

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Postby Drake014 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:50 pm

donmincho wrote:I think there's a substantive difference between 'anything some people will find offensive' and a thing which many people acutely feel as a form of real oppression. That was my point about systematized violence. Jokes about politics may piss people off, but political opinion is not oppressive. Jokes about slavery are widely considered off limits, even by many comedians, which I think says a lot. My point is that domestic violence should have the same protection.


Slavery isn't joked about a huge amount because there are very few funny jokes you can make about something that hasn't existed for over a century. Kinda why people don't joke about their horse and buggy. Jokes are typically about things people can relate to. You'll notice that black comedians joke constantly about racism and race sensitive issues. See my many posts about context.

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Re: offensive post

Postby hume85 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:51 pm

donmincho wrote:I think there's a substantive difference between 'anything some people will find offensive' and a thing which many people acutely feel as a form of real oppression. That was my point about systematized violence. Jokes about politics may piss people off, but political opinion is not oppressive. Jokes about slavery are widely considered off limits, even by many comedians, which I think says a lot. My point is that domestic violence should have the same protection.


Dave Chappelle joked about slavery and it was hilarious IIRC. I know you said many. The fact that jokes about slavery are widely off limits, if they are, doesn't necessarily mean they are morally repugnant; it could just be that we have gotten too PC because some people get too easily butthurt.

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Re: offensive post

Postby mephistopheles » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:52 pm

hmm, controversial element of contemporary society: priests abusing kids sexually.

surely no one jokes about that!!!1!!!111

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Postby alwayssunnyinfl » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:54 pm

Django

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Postby simplycatalina » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:57 pm

donmincho wrote:I think there's a substantive difference between 'anything some people will find offensive' and a thing which many people acutely feel as a form of real oppression. That was my point about systematized violence. Jokes about politics may piss people off, but political opinion is not oppressive. Jokes about slavery are widely considered off limits, even by many comedians, which I think says a lot. My point is that domestic violence should have the same protection.
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Re: offensive post

Postby mephistopheles » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:00 pm

cbarlow1016 wrote:It's alarming to me that people call me "fucking insufferable" for voicing the fact that I thought a particular meme was in poor taste.



why do you think the internet wants to hear about what you thought?

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Re: offensive post

Postby hume85 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:01 pm

OP, stress is a silent killer.
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Re: offensive post

Postby suralin » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:03 pm

cbarlow1016 wrote:
donmincho wrote:I think there's a substantive difference between 'anything some people will find offensive' and a thing which many people acutely feel as a form of real oppression. That was my point about systematized violence. Jokes about politics may piss people off, but political opinion is not oppressive. Jokes about slavery are widely considered off limits, even by many comedians, which I think says a lot. My point is that domestic violence should have the same protection.


I wholeheartedly agree. This is exactly the point I was trying to make. And thanks for being one of the only people to defend me. I'm not sure how my caring about women's rights came across as self righteous. It's alarming to me that people call me "fucking insufferable" for voicing the fact that I thought a particular meme was in poor taste.


It seems like you're being deliberately disingenuous both here and elsewhere ITT. This, particularly, was self-righteous: "Why is it that the majority are male? Also, in what world is this funny rather than offensive?"

Later on, you also imply that those who agree with you on finding that meme offensive are for women's rights, whereas those who find it funny are against women's rights. That's bullshit, and it's an explicit tribal group kind of dynamic that I find offensive--ironic, I know.

Also, maybe you should try reading what people are saying charitably, instead of going "OMG you disagree with me but I'm for women's rights so you must not be and you must like domestic abuse!11!1!".

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Re: offensive post

Postby simplycatalina » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:07 pm

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Re: offensive post

Postby Ludo! » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:10 pm

donmincho wrote:I think there's a substantive difference between 'anything some people will find offensive' and a thing which many people acutely feel as a form of real oppression. That was my point about systematized violence. Jokes about politics may piss people off, but political opinion is not oppressive. Jokes about slavery are widely considered off limits, even by many comedians, which I think says a lot. My point is that domestic violence should have the same protection.


You have a weird sense of what topics are off limits. Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle make slavery jokes all the time. Child abuse is joked about all the time - Catholic priest jokes, Michael Jackson jokes, all the Richard Pryor material about getting beaten as a kid. There's no topic that should be off limits for a joke

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Re: offensive post

Postby mephistopheles » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:11 pm

cbarlow1016 wrote:
Suralin wrote:
cbarlow1016 wrote:
donmincho wrote:I think there's a substantive difference between 'anything some people will find offensive' and a thing which many people acutely feel as a form of real oppression. That was my point about systematized violence. Jokes about politics may piss people off, but political opinion is not oppressive. Jokes about slavery are widely considered off limits, even by many comedians, which I think says a lot. My point is that domestic violence should have the same protection.


I wholeheartedly agree. This is exactly the point I was trying to make. And thanks for being one of the only people to defend me. I'm not sure how my caring about women's rights came across as self righteous. It's alarming to me that people call me "fucking insufferable" for voicing the fact that I thought a particular meme was in poor taste.


It seems like you're being deliberately disingenuous both here and elsewhere ITT. This, particularly, was self-righteous: "Why is it that the majority are male? Also, in what world is this funny rather than offensive?"

Later on, you also imply that those who agree with you on finding that meme offensive are for women's rights, whereas those who find it funny are against women's rights. That's bullshit, and it's an explicit tribal group kind of dynamic that I find offensive--ironic, I know.


When did I say that people who didn't agree with me were against women's rights? I said nothing of the sort. I said feel free to disagree with me actually. I get that other people don't find it offensive, and that's fine. And when did I say that anyone was for domestic violence? I'm not sure where you're getting this, but at this point, I'd rather not argue anymore.




it's kind of hard to point to examples when you've already gone back and edited most of your posts.

clever bait, OP.

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Re: offensive post

Postby hume85 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:11 pm

Ludovico Technique wrote:
donmincho wrote:I think there's a substantive difference between 'anything some people will find offensive' and a thing which many people acutely feel as a form of real oppression. That was my point about systematized violence. Jokes about politics may piss people off, but political opinion is not oppressive. Jokes about slavery are widely considered off limits, even by many comedians, which I think says a lot. My point is that domestic violence should have the same protection.


You have a weird sense of what topics are off limits. Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle make slavery jokes all the time. Child abuse is joked about all the time - Catholic priest jokes, Michael Jackson jokes, all the Richard Pryor material about getting beaten as a kid. There's no topic that should be off limits for a joke


It just has to be funny. We are all adults here.

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Re: offensive post

Postby Ludo! » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:12 pm

cbarlow1016 wrote:
Suralin wrote:
cbarlow1016 wrote:
donmincho wrote:I think there's a substantive difference between 'anything some people will find offensive' and a thing which many people acutely feel as a form of real oppression. That was my point about systematized violence. Jokes about politics may piss people off, but political opinion is not oppressive. Jokes about slavery are widely considered off limits, even by many comedians, which I think says a lot. My point is that domestic violence should have the same protection.


I wholeheartedly agree. This is exactly the point I was trying to make. And thanks for being one of the only people to defend me. I'm not sure how my caring about women's rights came across as self righteous. It's alarming to me that people call me "fucking insufferable" for voicing the fact that I thought a particular meme was in poor taste.


It seems like you're being deliberately disingenuous both here and elsewhere ITT. This, particularly, was self-righteous: "Why is it that the majority are male? Also, in what world is this funny rather than offensive?"

Later on, you also imply that those who agree with you on finding that meme offensive are for women's rights, whereas those who find it funny are against women's rights. That's bullshit, and it's an explicit tribal group kind of dynamic that I find offensive--ironic, I know.


When did I say that people who didn't agree with me were against women's rights? I said nothing of the sort. I said feel free to disagree with me actually. I get that other people don't find it offensive, and that's fine. And when did I say that anyone was for domestic violence? I'm not sure where you're getting this, but at this point, I'd rather not argue anymore.


cbarlow1016 wrote:
k guess no one wants to have a serious conversation on here and who would care about women's rights/domestic abuse so nbd.

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Re: offensive post

Postby suralin » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:13 pm

cbarlow1016 wrote:
Suralin wrote:
cbarlow1016 wrote:
donmincho wrote:I think there's a substantive difference between 'anything some people will find offensive' and a thing which many people acutely feel as a form of real oppression. That was my point about systematized violence. Jokes about politics may piss people off, but political opinion is not oppressive. Jokes about slavery are widely considered off limits, even by many comedians, which I think says a lot. My point is that domestic violence should have the same protection.


I wholeheartedly agree. This is exactly the point I was trying to make. And thanks for being one of the only people to defend me. I'm not sure how my caring about women's rights came across as self righteous. It's alarming to me that people call me "fucking insufferable" for voicing the fact that I thought a particular meme was in poor taste.


It seems like you're being deliberately disingenuous both here and elsewhere ITT. This, particularly, was self-righteous: "Why is it that the majority are male? Also, in what world is this funny rather than offensive?"

Later on, you also imply that those who agree with you on finding that meme offensive are for women's rights, whereas those who find it funny are against women's rights. That's bullshit, and it's an explicit tribal group kind of dynamic that I find offensive--ironic, I know.


When did I say that people who didn't agree with me were against women's rights? I said nothing of the sort. I said feel free to disagree with me actually. I get that other people don't find it offensive, and that's fine. And when did I say that anyone was for domestic violence? I'm not sure where you're getting this, but at this point, I'd rather not argue anymore.


You've been implying that the entire time: "k guess no one wants to have a serious conversation on here and who would care about women's rights/domestic abuse so nbd."

Also, in a similar way to how others can't see why you find that meme offensive and you can't see why others don't find that meme offensive, I can't see how you can't see that you've been implying that those who disagree with you ITT are against women's rights and you can't see where I'm getting that from. Funny.

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Re: offensive post

Postby A → B ⊨ ¬B → ¬A » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:15 pm

donmincho wrote:Jokes about politics may piss people off, but political opinion is not oppressive.


I can think of several oppressive political opinions. And, I second Django. When 2 ½ hours of slave revenge jokes gets nominated for 5 Oscars, it is officially no longer off limits.

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Re: offensive post

Postby simplycatalina » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:17 pm

I'm done with this conversation. It's obviously not going anywhere. I understand why people do not find the meme offensive. I did not mean to imply that people who do not find it offensive are against women's rights or for domestic abuse, so sorry if I came across that way. You've all shared your opinions, so I think we should just drop it.

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Postby A → B ⊨ ¬B → ¬A » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:19 pm

cbarlow1016 wrote:I'm done with this conversation. It's obviously not going anywhere.


Just tell us where you wanted it to go.

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Re: offensive post

Postby suralin » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:20 pm

cbarlow1016 wrote:I'm done with this conversation. It's obviously not going anywhere. I understand why people do not find the meme offensive. I did not mean to imply that people who do not find it offensive are against women's rights or for domestic abuse, so sorry if I came across that way. You've all shared your opinions, so I think we should just drop it.


Fair enough. Just as a helpful warning even though you presumably don't care, you should really be more careful re: outing yourself like that.
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Re: offensive post

Postby mephistopheles » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:21 pm

Suralin wrote:
cbarlow1016 wrote:I'm done with this conversation. It's obviously not going anywhere. I understand why people do not find the meme offensive. I did not mean to imply that people who do not find it offensive are against women's rights or for domestic abuse, so sorry if I came across that way. You've all shared your opinions, so I think we should just drop it.


Fair enough. Just as a helpful warning even though you presumably don't care, you should really be more careful w/r/t outing yourself like that.



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Re: offensive post

Postby A → B ⊨ ¬B → ¬A » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:21 pm

Suralin wrote:
cbarlow1016 wrote:I'm done with this conversation. It's obviously not going anywhere. I understand why people do not find the meme offensive. I did not mean to imply that people who do not find it offensive are against women's rights or for domestic abuse, so sorry if I came across that way. You've all shared your opinions, so I think we should just drop it.


Fair enough. Just as a helpful warning even though you presumably don't care, you should really be more careful w/r/t outing yourself like that.


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Re: offensive post

Postby simplycatalina » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:22 pm

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cbarlow1016 wrote:I'm done with this conversation. It's obviously not going anywhere.


Just tell us where you wanted it to go.


I wanted other people to recognize the fact that jokes about domestic violence are offensive, particularly when posted by a test prep company.

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Re: offensive post

Postby A → B ⊨ ¬B → ¬A » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:23 pm

cbarlow1016 wrote:
A → B ⊨ ¬B → ¬A wrote:
cbarlow1016 wrote:I'm done with this conversation. It's obviously not going anywhere.


Just tell us where you wanted it to go.


I wanted other people to recognize the fact that jokes about domestic violence are offensive, particularly when posted by a test prep company.


Ok, settled.

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