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why webcam interviews

Postby Winterfell » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:47 am

qIsn't it partly because of the sheer number of applicants who lie about their ethnicity/race?

The temptation to just check that "Latino" or "African-American" box in the hopes that perhaps one of your great-great-great grandfathers did indeed have Latino or Black blood in him.

After all, how the hell can the admissions folk really know whether you really are Latino or African American or heck, even part Native American?

From friends at HLS, I hear that the actual diversity of the student body is quite disappointing compared to what they say on paper (which states that nearly 40% of students are students of color [Blacks, Asians, Latinos, etc]).

So it appears that HLS admissions folks want to do a double-check on whether or not people have truthfully identified their race/ethnicity, or if they have pushed the ethnic identification ladder just a bit too far to gain an edge in the admissions process.

I think that's why Harvard so stresses the webcam part, as opposed to just talking over the phone.

If you think about it, unless people own MacBooks, not that many own webcams. So I imagine that many folks would have to go out and buy a webcam just for this one interview.
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Re: Why Harvard interviews by Skype (webcam)

Postby rinkrat19 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:53 am

Winterfell wrote:Isn't it partly because of the sheer number of applicants who lie about their ethnicity/race?

The temptation to just check that "Latino" or "African-American" box in the hopes that perhaps one of your great-great-great grandfathers did indeed have Latino or Black blood in him.

After all, how the hell can the admissions folk really know whether you really are Latino or African American or heck, even part Native American?

From friends at HLS, I hear that the actual diversity of the student body is quite disappointing compared to what they say on paper (which states that nearly 40% of students are students of color [Blacks, Asians, Latinos, etc]).

So it appears that HLS admissions folks want to do a double-check on whether or not people have truthfully identified their race/ethnicity, or if they have pushed the ethnic identification ladder just a bit too far to gain an edge in the admissions process.

I think that's why Harvard so stresses the webcam part, as opposed to just talking over the phone.

If you think about it, unless people own MacBooks, not that many own webcams. So I imagine that many folks would have to go out and buy a webcam just for this one interview.
Pretty much every laptop made within the past few years has a webcam, sparky.

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Re: Why Harvard interviews by Skype (webcam)

Postby bizzybone1313 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:55 am

I have always thought they do it to see if any people will self destruct during interviews. It makes their admissions decisions easier.

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Re: Why Harvard interviews by Skype (webcam)

Postby cgw » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:56 am

Maybe they just want to make sure their student body is disproportionately really hot? This is what I would do.

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Re: Why Harvard interviews by Skype (webcam)

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:58 am

Methinks the OP doth protest too much.

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Re: Why Harvard interviews by Skype (webcam)

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:02 am

Maybe they just do it because it better simulates a real interview and is more beneficial in getting to know us? Maybe thats not conspiracy-ish enough though haha

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Re: Why Harvard interviews by Skype (webcam)

Postby cynthiad » Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:08 am

You can't always tell a person's race by their appearance. Plenty of Latinos are white. I knew a 1/2 black girl who looked whiter than me (I am Caucasian). A native american could certainly look white. Just because someone looks white doesn't mean they are.

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Re: Why Harvard interviews by Skype (webcam)

Postby ManOfTheMinute » Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:21 am

cynthiad wrote:You can't always tell a person's race by their appearance. Plenty of Latinos are white. I knew a 1/2 black girl who looked whiter than me (I am Caucasian). A native american could certainly look white. Just because someone looks white doesn't mean they are.


Pics or it didn't happen. Sounds like white people just claiming to be non-white to me.

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Re: Why Harvard interviews by Skype (webcam)

Postby cynthiad » Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:26 am

ManOfTheMinute wrote:
cynthiad wrote:You can't always tell a person's race by their appearance. Plenty of Latinos are white. I knew a 1/2 black girl who looked whiter than me (I am Caucasian). A native american could certainly look white. Just because someone looks white doesn't mean they are.


Pics or it didn't happen. Sounds like white people just claiming to be non-white to me.


I don't have pictures of someone I haven't seen in years lol but she was definitely black. Her mom was black. And Latinos/Native Americans can have light skin, plenty of NA's are part white and affiliated with tribes, as for MA/PR they can be white, plenty of latinos have European ancestry.

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Re: Why Harvard interviews by Skype (webcam)

Postby bk1 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:48 am

ManOfTheMinute wrote:Pics or it didn't happen. Sounds like white people just claiming to be non-white to me.

Cameron Diaz looks white as hell.

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Re: Why Harvard interviews by Skype (webcam)

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:57 am

ManOfTheMinute wrote:
cynthiad wrote:You can't always tell a person's race by their appearance. Plenty of Latinos are white. I knew a 1/2 black girl who looked whiter than me (I am Caucasian). A native american could certainly look white. Just because someone looks white doesn't mean they are.


Pics or it didn't happen. Sounds like white people just claiming to be non-white to me.

So you're saying that 1) you can tell someone's race by looking at them and 2) how someone self-identifies and their family history is irrelevant if their skin isn't dark enough?

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Re: Why Harvard interviews by Skype (webcam)

Postby facile princeps » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:01 pm

bk1 wrote:
ManOfTheMinute wrote:Pics or it didn't happen. Sounds like white people just claiming to be non-white to me.

Cameron Diaz looks white as hell.

That's because she's white Hispanic. There are white and non-white Hispanics.

Edited to echo this:

ManOfTheMinute wrote:Maybe they just do it because it better simulates a real interview and is more beneficial in getting to know us?

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Re: why webcam interviews

Postby 2014 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:10 pm

It's harder to place ugly people in jobs and grads getting jobs has a tangible benefit on the law school for morale, rankings, and future endowment gifts. If I ran a law school I would want to make sure I wasn't admitting any ogres too.

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Re: why webcam interviews

Postby dingbat » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:12 pm

Basically, so they can play "Hot or Not"

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Re: why webcam interviews

Postby PRgradBYU » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:49 pm

A lot of the most successful lawyers (OK I can't speak for all of them, just the ones I know personally) are easy on the eyes, so I think you guys are totally right with the "hot or not" idea. Funny how that can factor into law school admissions.

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Re: Why Harvard interviews by Skype (webcam)

Postby John_rizzy_rawls » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:29 pm

ManOfTheMinute wrote:
cynthiad wrote:You can't always tell a person's race by their appearance. Plenty of Latinos are white. I knew a 1/2 black girl who looked whiter than me (I am Caucasian). A native american could certainly look white. Just because someone looks white doesn't mean they are.


Pics or it didn't happen. Sounds like white people just claiming to be non-white to me.


The interview is probably to also take people with good attributes for getting a job. Doubt it's to color-check folks as JS/KB are probably smart enough to know skin color isn't the only way you know someone is a certain race/ethnicity.
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Re: why webcam interviews

Postby itachiuchiha » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:44 pm

HOMER PLESSY in PLESSY v FERGUSON.

If you do not know him now, you will later.
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Re: why webcam interviews

Postby Crowing » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:47 pm

itachiuchiha wrote:1 NAME: PLESSY FERGUSON.

If you do not know him now, you will later.


Is this supposed to be some kind of a joke?

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Postby itachiuchiha » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:57 pm

Crowing wrote:
itachiuchiha wrote:1 NAME: PLESSY FERGUSON.

If you do not know him now, you will later.


Is this supposed to be some kind of a joke?


absolutely not. Plessy was 1/8 black and was discriminated against. But he could have been considered a URM, I suppose. But if you look at a picture of him, you would wear that he is white. you will learn about him in law school.

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Re: why webcam interviews

Postby bernaldiaz » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:59 pm

itachiuchiha wrote:
Crowing wrote:
itachiuchiha wrote:1 NAME: PLESSY FERGUSON.

If you do not know him now, you will later.


Is this supposed to be some kind of a joke?


absolutely not. Plessy was 1/8 black and was discriminated against. But he could have been considered a URM, I suppose. But if you look at a picture of him, you would wear that he is white. you will learn about him in law school.


LOL yes all of us non law school students have never heard of the great PLESSY FERGUSON (sic!). In other news, Led Zeppelin is like the greatest singer ever.

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Re: why webcam interviews

Postby Crowing » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:09 pm

itachiuchiha wrote:
Crowing wrote:
itachiuchiha wrote:1 NAME: PLESSY FERGUSON.

If you do not know him now, you will later.


Is this supposed to be some kind of a joke?


absolutely not. Plessy was 1/8 black and was discriminated against. But he could have been considered a URM, I suppose. But if you look at a picture of him, you would wear that he is white. you will learn about him in law school.


I'm aware of the case lol. I just don't get the "1 name: Plessy Ferguson" part :lol:

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Re: why webcam interviews

Postby John_rizzy_rawls » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:11 pm

bernaldiaz wrote:
itachiuchiha wrote:
Crowing wrote:
itachiuchiha wrote:1 NAME: PLESSY FERGUSON.

If you do not know him now, you will later.


Is this supposed to be some kind of a joke?


absolutely not. Plessy was 1/8 black and was discriminated against. But he could have been considered a URM, I suppose. But if you look at a picture of him, you would wear that he is white. you will learn about him in law school.


LOL yes all of us non law school students have never heard of the great PLESSY FERGUSON (sic!). In other news, Led Zeppelin is like the greatest singer ever.


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Re: why webcam interviews

Postby bk1 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:25 am

Eh, I'm not sure how many law students know that Plessy looked wholly white and had to tell the conductor that he was black.

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Re: why webcam interviews

Postby itachiuchiha » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:43 am

Crowing wrote:
itachiuchiha wrote:
Crowing wrote:
itachiuchiha wrote:1 NAME: PLESSY FERGUSON.

If you do not know him now, you will later.


Is this supposed to be some kind of a joke?


absolutely not. Plessy was 1/8 black and was discriminated against. But he could have been considered a URM, I suppose. But if you look at a picture of him, you would wear that he is white. you will learn about him in law school.


I'm aware of the case lol. I just don't get the "1 name: Plessy Ferguson" part :lol:



boom! edited before people make stupid comments like this!

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Re: why webcam interviews

Postby Crowing » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:11 am

Too late it's already quoted :D




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