REGENT UNIVERSITY for Undergrad? Plz Help!!

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Postby DougieFresh » Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:29 pm

Good luck with your recovery. Only you know whats best right now in regards to battling your demons.

I noticed one thing you mentioned,

AJFAJF wrote:Not to mention the fact that my grades will be higher if I went to Regent because their ideology will fall directly in line with mine so I won't see liberal bias in a major like Political Science which is what I'd be going for.


and thought I would point out that in a collegiate environment you are not graded based on ideology but on your ability to develop a sound argument backed by supporting evidence. If it were true that this school gives out easy grades without consideration, you will be doing yourself a disservice in attending. Learning to eloquently and respectfully argue a point, especially amongst those who disagree, is a skill that serves well in any position.

Good luck in your decision making process.

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Postby Aqualibrium » Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:47 pm

AJFAJF wrote:

47.5% of registered voters who participated in the election and cast a ballot for Romney = 47.5% of the country identifies as Republican?


Anyway, go to Regent because it is cheap and fits your needs overall, get as high a gpa as you can possibly get, and get a 90th percentile or better LSAT score and you'll have no problem getting into a top law school. No need for pros and cons because that is incontrovertible fact.


To your first point on Republicans, I'm not sure how else you could measure it? That would seem to be a relatively accurate way of assessing it in real time as the most current up to date indicator. Approximate no, but what is?

But okay sweet deal on on the going there and still being able to get into a good law school. Happy Thanksgiving my liberal friends! Lol.



You aren't accounting for the independent or democratic voters who voted Romney nor are you accounting for the Republicans who voted Obama. I'm not sure there is really any way to say with conviction that XYZ percent of the country is Republican or Democrat based on raw election results; the only thing you can really say is that the majority of Americans rejected the conservative "sign post" issues. IMO

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Postby AJFAJF » Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:50 pm

DougieFresh wrote:Good luck with your recovery. Only you know whats best right now in regards to battling your demons.

I noticed one thing you mentioned,

AJFAJF wrote:Not to mention the fact that my grades will be higher if I went to Regent because their ideology will fall directly in line with mine so I won't see liberal bias in a major like Political Science which is what I'd be going for.


and thought I would point out that in a collegiate environment you are not graded based on ideology but on your ability to develop a sound argument backed by supporting evidence. If it were true that this school gives out easy grades without consideration, you will be doing yourself a disservice in attending. Learning to eloquently and respectfully argue a point, especially amongst those who disagree, is a skill that serves well in any position.

Good luck in your decision making process.


I agree with you to an extent. I believe that there is some human element involved and I've experienced it at my local community college. I've read some of my class mates papers that have a liberal spin versus my conservative spin argument and have compared the two and challenged professors on why I received a lower grade. Often times I have received very inept answers in-reguard to this. Maybe not everyone has and you might of had a different experience. However if you are me and have been impacted like that it is hard to trust that this wouldn't continue to happen at a school like Pitt or Penn State when even Rick Santorum recently came out and said his grades definitely suffered at Penn State due to his view points and he had to "battle" professors.

Whether true or untrue, why take the chance? See what I'm saying?

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Postby nickb285 » Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:19 pm

AJFAJF wrote: But why subject myself to it when my life could be easier going to a place that literally caters towards my future success in every category.


Except for being a respected institution and not making people think you're a frothing-at-the-mouth ideological lunatic.

Not to mention the fact that my grades will be higher if I went to Regent because their ideology will fall directly in line with mine so I won't see liberal bias in a major like Political Science which is what I'd be going for.


News flash: Outside of a handful of crappy community college courses (and really not many of those), very few people who can construct a well-reasoned argument will see their grades suffer for their ideological perspective. Economically, I'm a socialist; socially, I'm a libertarian; so I've written papers advocating the repeal of all gun laws as well as papers advocating socialized medicine. I did well on all of them, because I'm a good writer who can construct an argument, even if it's one the professor disagrees with. People who blame their failings on "liberal bias" or "conservative bias" or any outside factor are usually just talentless idiots who can't handle the idea that they're not actually very good. Politicians like Rick Santorum earn their living by making uneducated people feel better about themselves by blaming the "liberal ivy tower elite" for their shortcomings. Aren't conservatives supposed to be about personal responsibility? Sack up and get it done and don't blame other people when you fail.

Look, if you want to go to Regent, then you don't need our approval. But you do need to know that, while it may not affect law school admissions, it's entirely possible that it will hurt you in the long run--both from an employer standpoint, and from the standpoint of having a tough time re-acclimating yourself to people who don't look and think and talk and behave exactly the same way you do.
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Postby TheThriller » Thu Nov 22, 2012 3:12 pm

Get a degree online, save $$, easy A and then score a 170+ on the lsat and say hello to T14.

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Postby Cellar-door » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:26 pm

AJFAJF wrote:
DougieFresh wrote:Good luck with your recovery. Only you know whats best right now in regards to battling your demons.

I noticed one thing you mentioned,

AJFAJF wrote:Not to mention the fact that my grades will be higher if I went to Regent because their ideology will fall directly in line with mine so I won't see liberal bias in a major like Political Science which is what I'd be going for.


and thought I would point out that in a collegiate environment you are not graded based on ideology but on your ability to develop a sound argument backed by supporting evidence. If it were true that this school gives out easy grades without consideration, you will be doing yourself a disservice in attending. Learning to eloquently and respectfully argue a point, especially amongst those who disagree, is a skill that serves well in any position.

Good luck in your decision making process.


I agree with you to an extent. I believe that there is some human element involved and I've experienced it at my local community college. I've read some of my class mates papers that have a liberal spin versus my conservative spin argument and have compared the two and challenged professors on why I received a lower grade. Often times I have received very inept answers in-reguard to this. Maybe not everyone has and you might of had a different experience. However if you are me and have been impacted like that it is hard to trust that this wouldn't continue to happen at a school like Pitt or Penn State when even Rick Santorum recently came out and said his grades definitely suffered at Penn State due to his view points and he had to "battle" professors.

Whether true or untrue, why take the chance? See what I'm saying?


In a good political science program ideology should have no impact since it is quantitative rather than qualitative.
RicK Santorum was likely in his story about Penn State full of shit and trying to excuse his poor grades.

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Postby Richie Tenenbaum » Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:01 am

AJFAJF wrote:
Cellar-door wrote:
AJFAJF wrote:True but jesuits in my area are also 35k per year. Regent is 8 grand with my pell grant and its not like people havent succeeded. Bob McDonell the governor of virginia for instance went to school at Regent.


He went to Notre Dame, he went to Regent Law and became a prosecutor then ran for office. Unless you plan to go to Regent Law and become a prosecutor then it isn't a particularly useful comparison.

If you want to go to Regent go there, but do so realizing that along the way there will be people in both your academic and business future who will judge you negatively for it.
Why not go to ODU or Norfolk State, both are cheap for in-state and neither will have the negatives of Regent.



True but don't forget, half the country is Republican. Not everyone is necessarily liberal and going to look at my resume and say "oh boy he went to Regent, forget it." Half the nation leans right. I'm sure through an interview process the ability to sell an employer on the fact that you attended a non traditional school like Regent sighting reasons such that you wanted an atmosphere of academia and clean sober fun coupled with a good price tag will off-set any leery pre-conceived connotations. Not everyone who believes in god and attends a conservative school is a "nut case." I understand that Bob McDonnell is anecdotal in example but it is an example, and a selling point. Will there be one guy out there that looks at it and dislikes it? Sure. But there's one guy out there that might not like my hair cut or how I talk. Sometimes you have to sell yourself and if an undergrad degree from Regent is what is holding you back when you have a J.D. from a top 20-35 school in conjunction with that B.A. from Regent, then I don't think Regent is the problem. The problem lien your inability to sell yourself effectively.


First, republican does not automatically equal Evangelical christian. Second, you shouldn't concentrate on the composition of the general public, you should care about law firms and law firm hiring committees.

If I was on a law firm hiring committee, I would be somewhat hesitant to hire someone who went to Regent. Why? Because I would worry that the person might hold views I consider extreme and silly--e.g., thinking evolution is not correct. A quick google search turned up this masterpiece: http://iheart7.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... lution.pdf

It is terrifying to me that someone in college could write something like that. Why? Because it's not really a matter of intelligence, it's more a matter of not being able to analyze things objectively because they've been so warped by dogma.

You also might be in for a rough surprise if you don't think there is a drinking culture at most firms. There is. There is nothing wrong with not drinking, but it's not going to help the image that firms have about you.

Firms want to hire people that they view as normal. Going to Regent just increases the chances that firms will view you as weird and not worth the risk. My recommendation would be limit debt by going to your state university. It really won't matter for law school admissions, but it can most certainly have an effect when it comes to legal hiring.

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Postby somewhatwayward » Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:34 pm

Richie Tenenbaum wrote:...A quick google search turned up this masterpiece: http://iheart7.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... lution.pdf


Yikes....I just skimmed this, and I am sure there are worse parts, but: "If evolution were true and the species evolved in an attempt to survive, why do we not all have wings to fly? Why do we not all have fangs, or great strength? If we have all evolved and we exist today because we are the fittest, how are weak animals and defenseless humans still alive today?" :roll:

Also, this person obviously does not actually understand evolution: "Evolution describes a series of changes (evolutions) which eventually mutated into living cells, thus creating different life forms over millions of years." Environmental changes select for certain mutations which have arisen randomly. Changes don't "mutate into living cells." I wonder why this paper was online - hopefully not because it was the best in the class.

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Postby fluffybunny » Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:24 pm

El_Gallo wrote:A quick google search turned up this masterpiece: http://iheart7.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... lution.pdf

You know, I really try to be ok with what other people believe (and I am a Christian of sorts), but this does seem pretty bananas. Although, it may be that the ability to construct an argument as convoluted and strained as the one in that paper is a good skill for a lawyer to have--assuming she can do it for any position (and also communicate it more clearly--we'll let that slide since this person is probably a relatively inexperienced writer).

As far as going to Regent goes--do what you want to. As others have said, it will probably be easier to get good grades and early sobriety is hard, you might as well put yourself in a position to get through it with the least amount of drama. Just be prepared for people to mock you/discriminate against you for it for the rest of your career. You can't control that and it's sort of pointless to worry about whether it's fair. Even so, it's not so bad to break the mold. There are lots of ways to get from birth to death and most of them are fine as long as you're willing to scrap for what you want and be flexible when things don't go according to plan.

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Postby spleenworship » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:30 pm

Richie Tenenbaum wrote:A quick google search turned up this masterpiece: http://iheart7.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... lution.pdf



What is this... I don't even...


Even worse, that isn't even well written. I mean, it's good enough for a 100 level class, I guess... but seriously?

How can they even claim academic rigor when that sort of poorly written as well as unexamined, uncritical, tripe is acceptable in a 300 level class?

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Postby ChikaBoom » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:42 pm

OP, have you been to a recovery program for alcoholism or are you doing this on your own? I would be pretty concerned with making sure that you're solid in that before taking on law school. Don't have an opinion on the school, but just stopped in to wish you the best.

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Postby mqt » Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:14 pm

AJFAJF wrote:
DougieFresh wrote:Good luck with your recovery. Only you know whats best right now in regards to battling your demons.

I noticed one thing you mentioned,

AJFAJF wrote:Not to mention the fact that my grades will be higher if I went to Regent because their ideology will fall directly in line with mine so I won't see liberal bias in a major like Political Science which is what I'd be going for.


and thought I would point out that in a collegiate environment you are not graded based on ideology but on your ability to develop a sound argument backed by supporting evidence. If it were true that this school gives out easy grades without consideration, you will be doing yourself a disservice in attending. Learning to eloquently and respectfully argue a point, especially amongst those who disagree, is a skill that serves well in any position.

Good luck in your decision making process.


I agree with you to an extent. I believe that there is some human element involved and I've experienced it at my local community college. I've read some of my class mates papers that have a liberal spin versus my conservative spin argument and have compared the two and challenged professors on why I received a lower grade. Often times I have received very inept answers in-reguard to this. Maybe not everyone has and you might of had a different experience. However if you are me and have been impacted like that it is hard to trust that this wouldn't continue to happen at a school like Pitt or Penn State when even Rick Santorum recently came out and said his grades definitely suffered at Penn State due to his view points and he had to "battle" professors.

Whether true or untrue, why take the chance? See what I'm saying?


There's also the distinct possibility that your liberal classmates are better writers than you are, or simply did a better job on the assignment. More importantly, what kind of assignment in a college class lends itself to a liberal or conservative bias? I would think that even assignments that make you pick a side between a typical liberal stance and a typical conservative stance would be graded on how well you support your view.

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Postby WhiskeynCoke » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:37 am

However if you are me and have been impacted like that it is hard to trust that this wouldn't continue to happen at a school like Pitt or Penn State when even Rick Santorum recently came out and said his grades definitely suffered at Penn State due to his view points and he had to "battle" professors.


It's an absolute outrage that his biased raging liberal professors didn't appreciate his obvious intellect. With such inspiring ideas like his brilliant "napkins vs paper towels and gay marriage" analogy, he's obviously one of the great thinkers of our time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuibTsfspP0

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Postby spleenworship » Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:53 pm

WhiskeynCoke wrote:
However if you are me and have been impacted like that it is hard to trust that this wouldn't continue to happen at a school like Pitt or Penn State when even Rick Santorum recently came out and said his grades definitely suffered at Penn State due to his view points and he had to "battle" professors.


It's an absolute outrage that his biased raging liberal professors didn't appreciate his obvious intellect. With such inspiring ideas like his brilliant "napkins vs paper towels and gay marriage" analogy, he's obviously one of the great thinkers of our time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuibTsfspP0


:lol: :lol:

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Postby Burne182 » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:19 pm

OP-- for what it's worth, I went to a very conservative UG as a liberal and I think I'm better for it; the diversity of your opinion could help make you stand out.

I live less than a mile from Regent and it isn't a bad place geographically. If you are above the medians it won't matter what school awarded you your bach. If you are below, however, Regent does not have a very strong reputation (unless you are planning on going to Regent Law). I have an awful GPA and a below average LSAT and have gotten into all the T1 schools I applied to (not T-14, admittedly) because my UG institution was very strong and has a no-grade inflation reputation.

I don't think you'd be better off with ODU/Norfolk State necessarily, but you'd be in much less debt. William and Mary would put you in a far better position, but I'm not sure if you can move to Williamsburg.

Good luck with your decision.

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Postby cinephile » Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:28 pm

I responded previously, but in light of the new post I thought of something else.

I went to a hippie college and I found that it actually made me less liberal to be surrounded by people whose views seemed so extreme. So, I'm not sure what you're expecting to experience at Regent, but you may end up tempering your views and coming out a moderate. Are you prepared for that possibility?




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