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Postby AJFAJF » Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:11 pm

The above 2 posters make valid points. But lets not forget the main question here which is how it will effect how big time law schools would view Regent in reguard to admissions. As for employers being pre disposed to not liking me ... Why? Because i went to a christian college for undergrad? What if i went to william and mary or georgetown etc for law school? I doubt that my Regent undergrad would have much bearing on getting hired. I mean yes maybe if im interviewing with the huffington post lol. But this is different.

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Postby Swimp » Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:23 pm

AJFAJF wrote:The above 2 posters make valid points. But lets not forget the main question here which is how it will effect how big time law schools would view Regent in reguard to admissions. As for employers being pre disposed to not liking me ... Why? Because i went to a christian college for undergrad? What if i went to william and mary or georgetown etc for law school? I doubt that my Regent undergrad would have much bearing on getting hired. I mean yes maybe if im interviewing with the huffington post lol. But this is different.


Jesuit schools aren't really in the same category as evangelical schools. Jesuits largely accept the validity of evolution, consider religious faith to be just one part of a person's life, and have a long tradition of producing disciplined, intelligent students.

Evangelical education, on the other hand, is a relatively new development and puts much more emphasis on seeing everything through an evangelical lens, producing Christian culture warriors who will advance the agenda of the Christian Right. It's off-putting, and people worry that a school whose founding principles stress that the Bible is the final word on, for instance, modern science, won't prepare its graduates to be well-rounded members of society.

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Postby AJFAJF » Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:27 pm

True but jesuits in my area are also 35k per year. Regent is 8 grand with my pell grant and its not like people havent succeeded. Bob McDonell the governor of virginia for instance went to school at Regent.

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Postby cinephile » Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:29 pm

There is a huge difference between a respectable school like Georgetown or Notre Dame and a school like Regent. People will think you're an extremist, whether or not that's the case.

Every single recruiter I've interviewed with or spoken to at a reception has told me fit is the most important thing in the hiring process. If you present the image that you're radical or an extremist, you're not going to fit with the firm's culture.

Law schools don't care, though.

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Postby cinephile » Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:30 pm

Also, you seem to have made up your mind already and now are just arguing with anyone who disagrees with you. It's your life so do what you want. But if you're truly looking for advice, you should consider actually taking it.

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Postby Swimp » Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:33 pm

AJFAJF wrote:its not like people havent succeeded. Bob McDonell the governor of virginia for instance went to school at Regent.


If I were you, I'd be more concerned with trends than with exceptions.

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Postby Cellar-door » Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:13 pm

AJFAJF wrote:True but jesuits in my area are also 35k per year. Regent is 8 grand with my pell grant and its not like people havent succeeded. Bob McDonell the governor of virginia for instance went to school at Regent.


He went to Notre Dame, he went to Regent Law and became a prosecutor then ran for office. Unless you plan to go to Regent Law and become a prosecutor then it isn't a particularly useful comparison.

If you want to go to Regent go there, but do so realizing that along the way there will be people in both your academic and business future who will judge you negatively for it.
Why not go to ODU or Norfolk State, both are cheap for in-state and neither will have the negatives of Regent.

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Postby AJFAJF » Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:39 pm

Cellar-door wrote:
AJFAJF wrote:True but jesuits in my area are also 35k per year. Regent is 8 grand with my pell grant and its not like people havent succeeded. Bob McDonell the governor of virginia for instance went to school at Regent.


He went to Notre Dame, he went to Regent Law and became a prosecutor then ran for office. Unless you plan to go to Regent Law and become a prosecutor then it isn't a particularly useful comparison.

If you want to go to Regent go there, but do so realizing that along the way there will be people in both your academic and business future who will judge you negatively for it.
Why not go to ODU or Norfolk State, both are cheap for in-state and neither will have the negatives of Regent.



True but don't forget, half the country is Republican. Not everyone is necessarily liberal and going to look at my resume and say "oh boy he went to Regent, forget it." Half the nation leans right. I'm sure through an interview process the ability to sell an employer on the fact that you attended a non traditional school like Regent sighting reasons such that you wanted an atmosphere of academia and clean sober fun coupled with a good price tag will off-set any leery pre-conceived connotations. Not everyone who believes in god and attends a conservative school is a "nut case." I understand that Bob McDonnell is anecdotal in example but it is an example, and a selling point. Will there be one guy out there that looks at it and dislikes it? Sure. But there's one guy out there that might not like my hair cut or how I talk. Sometimes you have to sell yourself and if an undergrad degree from Regent is what is holding you back when you have a J.D. from a top 20-35 school in conjunction with that B.A. from Regent, then I don't think Regent is the problem. The problem lien your inability to sell yourself effectively.

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Postby sinfiery » Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:46 pm

AJFAJF wrote:
Cellar-door wrote:
AJFAJF wrote:True but jesuits in my area are also 35k per year. Regent is 8 grand with my pell grant and its not like people havent succeeded. Bob McDonell the governor of virginia for instance went to school at Regent.


He went to Notre Dame, he went to Regent Law and became a prosecutor then ran for office. Unless you plan to go to Regent Law and become a prosecutor then it isn't a particularly useful comparison.

If you want to go to Regent go there, but do so realizing that along the way there will be people in both your academic and business future who will judge you negatively for it.
Why not go to ODU or Norfolk State, both are cheap for in-state and neither will have the negatives of Regent.



True but don't forget, half the country is Republican. Not everyone is necessarily liberal and going to look at my resume and say "oh boy he went to Regent, forget it." Half the nation leans right. I'm sure through an interview process the ability to sell an employer on the fact that you attended a non traditional school like Regent sighting reasons such that you wanted an atmosphere of academia and clean sober fun coupled with a good price tag will off-set any leery pre-conceived connotations. Not everyone who believes in god and attends a conservative school is a "nut case." I understand that Bob McDonnell is anecdotal in example but it is an example, and a selling point. Will there be one guy out there that looks at it and dislikes it? Sure. But there's one guy out there that might not like my hair cut or how I talk. Sometimes you have to sell yourself and if an undergrad degree from Regent is what is holding you back when you have a J.D. from a top 20-35 school in conjunction with that B.A. from Regent, then I don't think Regent is the problem. The problem lien your inability to sell yourself effectively.

No one here said it was impossible.
Law schools generally lean more liberal than general society.
For that reason, it will possibly hurt your chances. (IE: Probability)

If you are willing to take that risk for the benefits you receive (sober environment, like minded people, etc.), do it.

I don't even know what Regent is and as far as I'm concerned, it's just another UG. Obviously I am missing something so I cannot comment on the extent to which it will effect your admissions cycle.

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Postby nickb285 » Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:13 pm

There's a difference between "being Christian/Republican/conservative" and "going to a school founded by the guy who said the earthquake in Haiti was because of a pact Haitians had made with the devil." If I'm reviewing an application and someone says they volunteer at their church's youth group or soup kitchen, or if someone says they worked on the campaign of a conservative Republican senator, I don't think much of it--it gives me an idea of their personal life but little else, and in some cases can even be a plus. If someone says they went to Regent (or a similar university like Bob Jones), that makes me think they're part of the nuttier faction of Christian conservatives, and more importantly, they can't handle dealing with anyone who isn't. I might still interview and even hire them, but the rest of their application will have to impress the hell out of me. Maybe that's fair, maybe it isn't, but that's the truth and I'm not the only person who will think that way. EDIT: And it's not because I'm liberal; it's because Pat Robertson is friggin' crazy.

This isn't about explaining it in an interview; this is about getting an interview in the first place, or not having assumptions made about you in spite of a good interview.

If you want to focus on your anecdotes and go to a cloistered environment like Regent, that's certainly your prerogative. But you should understand that it will likely make law school more difficult or at least more stressful, and it may very well make getting a job more difficult during/after school.
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Postby Cellar-door » Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:30 pm

AJFAJF wrote:
Cellar-door wrote:
AJFAJF wrote:True but jesuits in my area are also 35k per year. Regent is 8 grand with my pell grant and its not like people havent succeeded. Bob McDonell the governor of virginia for instance went to school at Regent.


He went to Notre Dame, he went to Regent Law and became a prosecutor then ran for office. Unless you plan to go to Regent Law and become a prosecutor then it isn't a particularly useful comparison.

If you want to go to Regent go there, but do so realizing that along the way there will be people in both your academic and business future who will judge you negatively for it.
Why not go to ODU or Norfolk State, both are cheap for in-state and neither will have the negatives of Regent.



True but don't forget, half the country is Republican. Not everyone is necessarily liberal and going to look at my resume and say "oh boy he went to Regent, forget it." Half the nation leans right. I'm sure through an interview process the ability to sell an employer on the fact that you attended a non traditional school like Regent sighting reasons such that you wanted an atmosphere of academia and clean sober fun coupled with a good price tag will off-set any leery pre-conceived connotations. Not everyone who believes in god and attends a conservative school is a "nut case." I understand that Bob McDonnell is anecdotal in example but it is an example, and a selling point. Will there be one guy out there that looks at it and dislikes it? Sure. But there's one guy out there that might not like my hair cut or how I talk. Sometimes you have to sell yourself and if an undergrad degree from Regent is what is holding you back when you have a J.D. from a top 20-35 school in conjunction with that B.A. from Regent, then I don't think Regent is the problem. The problem lien your inability to sell yourself effectively.


Why ask the question then ignore the answers?

Sure not everyone will think of it negatively, some may be evangelicals and love it, most probably don't care. Some will hate it, you asked if it would make a difference, obviously almost every respondent has told you it will likely make some and that you should judge for yourself if what you like about it makes it worth it.

Regent's Chancellor is a highly divisive figure, and his school is not particularly well respected. If you plan to go into Republican politics it is a huge plus, otherwise it is likely a small negative.

Associating it with a distaste for Republicans or belief in God is highly misleading. Notre Dame, BYU, and Holy Cross are schools that tend to have lots of religious students, but are well respected as good schools. The difference comes in the extreme political positions taken by Pat Robertson, and a feeling that students are Strongly encouraged to share (or at least not criticize) those positions.

There are lots of heavily Republican schools, particularly in the South that aren't looked at askance. Regents is probably a better choice than Liberty, but for those familiar with it, it certainly puts an impression in people's minds about you.

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Postby AJFAJF » Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:41 pm

Why ask the question then ignore the answers?

Sure not everyone will think of it negatively, some may be evangelicals and love it, most probably don't care. Some will hate it, you asked if it would make a difference, obviously almost every respondent has told you it will likely make some and that you should judge for yourself if what you like about it makes it worth it.

Regent's Chancellor is a highly divisive figure, and his school is not particularly well respected. If you plan to go into Republican politics it is a huge plus, otherwise it is likely a small negative.

Associating it with a distaste for Republicans or belief in God is highly misleading. Notre Dame, BYU, and Holy Cross are schools that tend to have lots of religious students, but are well respected as good schools. The difference comes in the extreme political positions taken by Pat Robertson, and a feeling that students are Strongly encouraged to share (or at least not criticize) those positions.

There are lots of heavily Republican schools, particularly in the South that aren't looked at askance. Regents is probably a better choice than Liberty, but for those familiar with it, it certainly puts an impression in people's minds about you.


First of all it may seem as though I'm ignoring the answers as you have put it. I'm not ignoring the answers, I am challenging them as a means to get more out of you. In this case I did. You sighted that if I plan on working in Republican politics is a plus for me. Well I worked for the Romney campaign this year and would love to be part of a Repub think tank etc. if practicing law goes arye in anyway. Never the less you bring up another good point about other schools in the South being conservative and more respected... (BTW I live in Philadelphia so it can be northern too. I have some cousins in Virginia Beach though)

Now.. That being said I'm open for suggestions. I would be a transfer student with a 3.6 GPA with over 50 credit hours. I'm 26 and never took my SATs and had quite an abysmal high school history. I have little to no help with financial aid from my family etc. I do however have excellent credit (ive owned a house, car etc.) and no debt at all currently. From a stand point of being able to be accepted, able to pay for, and befitting the conservative model I'm looking for, which would you suggest?

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Postby Cellar-door » Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:02 pm

AJFAJF wrote:
Why ask the question then ignore the answers?

Sure not everyone will think of it negatively, some may be evangelicals and love it, most probably don't care. Some will hate it, you asked if it would make a difference, obviously almost every respondent has told you it will likely make some and that you should judge for yourself if what you like about it makes it worth it.

Regent's Chancellor is a highly divisive figure, and his school is not particularly well respected. If you plan to go into Republican politics it is a huge plus, otherwise it is likely a small negative.

Associating it with a distaste for Republicans or belief in God is highly misleading. Notre Dame, BYU, and Holy Cross are schools that tend to have lots of religious students, but are well respected as good schools. The difference comes in the extreme political positions taken by Pat Robertson, and a feeling that students are Strongly encouraged to share (or at least not criticize) those positions.

There are lots of heavily Republican schools, particularly in the South that aren't looked at askance. Regents is probably a better choice than Liberty, but for those familiar with it, it certainly puts an impression in people's minds about you.


First of all it may seem as though I'm ignoring the answers as you have put it. I'm not ignoring the answers, I am challenging them as a means to get more out of you. In this case I did. You sighted that if I plan on working in Republican politics is a plus for me. Well I worked for the Romney campaign this year and would love to be part of a Repub think tank etc. if practicing law goes arye in anyway. Never the less you bring up another good point about other schools in the South being conservative and more respected...

Now.. That being said I'm open for suggestions. I would be a transfer student with a 3.6 GPA with over 50 credit hours. I'm 26 and never took my SATs and had quite an abysmal high school history. I have little to no help with financial aid from my family etc. I do however have excellent credit (ive owned a house, car etc.) and no debt at all currently. From a stand point of being able to be accepted, able to pay for, and befitting the conservative model I'm looking for, which would you suggest?


If you live in VA? Basically anything Public: ODU, Norfolk State, George Mason, James Madison, VCU, VA Tech (all around $10k or less a year If you can get in and are willing to pay/take loans for the extra money UVA obviously.

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Postby AJFAJF » Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:08 pm

If you live in VA? Basically anything Public: ODU, Norfolk State, George Mason, James Madison, VCU, VA Tech (all around $10k or less a year If you can get in and are willing to pay/take loans for the extra money UVA obviously.


I don't live in VA, I live in Pennsylvania. Regent was attracting because I have a cousin in VA Beach and their tuition (12k/year) was even lower then some of the cheapest subsidized schools here in PA.

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Postby dr123 » Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:24 am

Just go to Pitt or w/e, the "culture" of a school really only matters if you live on campus, IME.

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Postby kdev1203 » Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:51 am

AJFAJF wrote:Okay that's what I figured especially relative to those public universities. I figure why pay more, have to deal with liberal bias (no offense), and rampant alcohol everywhere. When I could go to a place that caters to my needs and is cheaper. Just saying. Also, how much money in federal aid can I get for law school? The guy at Regent said I can get up to $130 thousand? I'm not sure about that. He said $57k for undergrad. I'm not sure about that. I'm just asking because essentially I am going to be taking out loans for all of this stuff. Also keep in mind I am 26 years old, I've owned a house and owned a car so my credit rating is around 700. I currently have no debt and live back with my parents temporarily. (fiance and I broke up, story for another day) Will I be okay?


Not to rain on your parade here, but 99% of the law school social culture at ANY school (except maybe Regent and Utah) revolves around alcohol. If this is an issue that you are concerned about now, what makes you think that law school is the right decision? Not to mention the HUGE alcoholism problem within the industry itself...

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Postby cynthiad » Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:58 am

dr123 wrote:Just go to Pitt or w/e, the "culture" of a school really only matters if you live on campus, IME.


This. If you don't live on campus, you won't be dealing with roommates who drink or parties in your residence hall. Honestly, it's not like people will be drinking beers in class. Just join clubs/social groups of people who have similar values to you, with respect to drinking and politics. Even predominantly liberal campuses have a Republicans club and usually multiple Christian clubs. Even if the majority of students use alcohol to socialize, you can avoid it by not going to those events.

It will be a lot harder in law school, however, where official networking events and the like will involve alcohol, and you won't be able to skip those without harming your career.

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Postby ScottRiqui » Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:40 am

dr123 wrote:Just go to Pitt or w/e, the "culture" of a school really only matters if you live on campus, IME.


QFT - you only have to be immersed in the "culture" of a school to the extent that you choose to.

At my undergraduate school, there were 50k+ students enrolled, but my classes were almost all in one of two buildings, with what seemed like the same 300 students. For my master's program, there were 3k students on campus, but 90% of my classes were in the same three rooms of a single building. We weren't all in all of the same classes, but if I made up a roster of everyone with whom I had one or more classes during the course of the two-year program, there probably wouldn't be 50 names on the list.

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Postby ak13 » Thu Nov 22, 2012 3:17 am

cinephile wrote:Also, you seem to have made up your mind already and now are just arguing with anyone who disagrees with you. It's your life so do what you want. But if you're truly looking for advice, you should consider actually taking it.


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Postby AJFAJF » Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:47 am

Respect all of your opinions and they are taken under advisement. However I really have to say a lot of the responses here and been overwhelmingly negative for someone who is trying to move in a positive direction. Essentially telling me that if I plan on not drinking then I might as well forget law school. Really? Understand that I am a human being that lives in a metropolitan area that go to family parties and bar type settings with folks that drink. I choose to drink a club soda instead. I do however limit these interactions as of right now because I am only a few months into recovery. Why go somewhere like Pitt or Penn State where lets face it, rampant alcohol use is everywhere. Yes you can live off campus in a place with room mates who will likely drink. Could I handle that? Sure I COULD handle it. But why subject myself to it when my life could be easier going to a place that literally caters towards my future success in every category. Thus giving me a solid 2 year foundation of an alcohol free environment to get used to just not drinking and developing that non drinking personality. Not to mention the fact that my grades will be higher if I went to Regent because their ideology will fall directly in line with mine so I won't see liberal bias in a major like Political Science which is what I'd be going for. Thus if my grades are higher my chances of getting into a better law school will go up AND my loans for undergrad will be 10 thousand less than if i I was going to go to a school like Pitt. Then I can take the advice of some people in here that said you "can live off campus at the state school," when it comes to law school and it's "rampant alcohol use." Applying the strategy suggested by you folks.

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Postby Aqualibrium » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:15 am

Half of the country isn't republican; 700ish is not an "excellent credit" score; going to Regent won't hurt for law school admissions...everyone has basically said that already; it actually does make sense to try to stay away from alcohol as long as you can; I still think this is a flame.

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Postby El_Gallo » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:41 am

Go to Regent. If it's your cheapest option and you're dead set on law school, why not? Attending Regent won't hurt you for law school admissions. It may or may not hold you back slightly someday from getting a job, but do you really want to work some place that has such a strong bias against your religion anyways?

I went to BYU for undergrad. It has been both an asset and a hinderance to me in different circumstances. I don't regret it. I say go for it.

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Postby AJFAJF » Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:14 pm

To the above 2 posters. First off Romney won 47.5 percent of the popular vote. So I am sorry you are correct half the country is not Republican. 47.5 percent apparently are. Lol. It's not a flame thread I am just pointing things out that are specific to my situation and the betterment of my education. I in no way intended for this to be a "flame" thread. I appreciate everyone who answered my question and I really think it comes down to a pro's and con's debate as no choice is perfect. In this case, through a weighted pro's and con's discussion with primary emphasis predicated on the possible hinderance of top law school entrance. I feel Regent encompasses the best overall experience for my needs. I appreciate everyone's opinion, thank you for your time in answering my questions.

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Postby Aqualibrium » Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:47 pm

AJFAJF wrote:To the above 2 posters. First off Romney won 47.5 percent of the popular vote. So I am sorry you are correct half the country is not Republican. 47.5 percent apparently are. Lol. It's not a flame thread I am just pointing things out that are specific to my situation and the betterment of my education. I in no way intended for this to be a "flame" thread. I appreciate everyone who answered my question and I really think it comes down to a pro's and con's debate as no choice is perfect. In this case, through a weighted pro's and con's discussion with primary emphasis predicated on the possible hinderance of top law school entrance. I feel Regent encompasses the best overall experience for my needs. I appreciate everyone's opinion, thank you for your time in answering my questions.



47.5% of registered voters who participated in the election and cast a ballot for Romney = 47.5% of the country identifies as Republican?


Anyway, go to Regent because it is cheap and fits your needs overall, get as high a gpa as you can possibly get, and get a 90th percentile or better LSAT score and you'll have no problem getting into a top law school. No need for pros and cons because that is incontrovertible fact.

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Postby AJFAJF » Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:18 pm


47.5% of registered voters who participated in the election and cast a ballot for Romney = 47.5% of the country identifies as Republican?


Anyway, go to Regent because it is cheap and fits your needs overall, get as high a gpa as you can possibly get, and get a 90th percentile or better LSAT score and you'll have no problem getting into a top law school. No need for pros and cons because that is incontrovertible fact.


To your first point on Republicans, I'm not sure how else you could measure it? That would seem to be a relatively accurate way of assessing it in real time as the most current up to date indicator. Approximate no, but what is?

But okay sweet deal on on the going there and still being able to get into a good law school. Happy Thanksgiving my liberal friends! Lol.




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