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Re: 3.90/171 - retake?

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Re: 3.90/171 - retake?

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Re: 3.90/171 - retake?

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Re: 3.90/171 - retake?

Postby sinfiery » Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:51 pm

wert3813 wrote:
rebexness wrote:Your LSAT score is below median at all of the Top 6. The GPA will be unlikely to overcome that.
I would study and retake June or Feb.


Umm this is just factually inaccurate.

Stanford's median in 170.


Where did you find this?

I can't find Stanford's class profile anywhere.

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Re: 3.90/171 - retake?

Postby vzapana » Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:53 pm

Check ABA stats on LSAC. It's there

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Re: 3.90/171 - retake?

Postby M458 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:55 pm

wert3813 wrote:
rebexness wrote:Your LSAT score is below median at all of the Top 6. The GPA will be unlikely to overcome that.
I would study and retake June or Feb.


Umm this is just factually inaccurate.

Stanford's median in 170. U of C's is 171.


Also possible that NYU's median fell to 171...

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Re: 3.90/171 - retake?

Postby sinfiery » Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:56 pm

vzapana wrote:Check ABA stats on LSAC. It's there

awesome
thankyou

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Re: 3.90/171 - retake?

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Re: 3.90/171 - retake?

Postby sinfiery » Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:00 pm

wert3813 wrote:
vzapana wrote:Check ABA stats on LSAC. It's there


If you don't have a log in or want to log in:

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?r=other&show=admissions

So these are for people that applied in Oct2010 right?


Safe to assume medians fell since then a tad at least.

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Re: 3.90/171 - retake?

Postby sinfiery » Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:08 pm

wert3813 wrote:
sinfiery wrote:
wert3813 wrote:
vzapana wrote:Check ABA stats on LSAC. It's there


If you don't have a log in or want to log in:

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?r=other&show=admissions

So these are for people that applied in Oct2010 right?


Safe to assume medians fell since then a tad at least.


This is for the 2010-2011 cycle correct. Are update stats out yet?

only on some schools websites, they have class profiles for the class of 2015
stanford not being 1 of them

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Re: 3.90/171 - retake?

Postby WhiskeynCoke » Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:37 pm

1) what are my current chances at t6, given that i have pretty weak softs (director of the debate team, legal clinical experience, research experience, probably middling recommendations, maybe something consulting-related in the upcoming summer)

2) is there a risk to retaking the lsat and receiving a score that's either the same or only two points higher? like is a 171/172 retake worse than a 171?


Currently your chances are decent at CCN and slim at HYS, and certainly not guaranteed IN at any of them. This is beside the point.

The real issue is to retake or not to retake? To answer this you must ask yourself two questions:

1. What do I have to gain?
- EVERYTHING
- Just a minor point gain (even +1) would help you tremendously but putting you over some medians helping you get IN.
- Every point you bump up improves your likelihood of receiving scholarship $$$$ EXPONENTIALLY
- Basically, each point on the LSAT is worth tens of thousands of dollars (scholly) in addition to the long-term opportunities offered by going to a badass school.
- Just picture how much more competitive you'd be with a 175/3.9 vs 171/3.9.... ($$$$)

2. What do I have to lose?
- NOTHING
- (basically just your time and $160, which is well worth it)

Do the math dude. Schools only take your highest score. You can pay a $160 registration fee to have an extremely good chance (considering your PT avg) of winning hundreds of thousands, plus entrance to the schools of your dreams. There is absolutely NO justification not to retake, it would be utterly idiotic to waste the opportunity. If you don't improve on your 2nd try take it a 3rd time! Seriously.

To answer your second question, a 171/172 is EXPONENTIALLY BETTER than a 171 alone. Schools take ONLY YOUR HIGHEST SCORE, and the difference between a 171 and a 172 is the difference between Helping CLS/NYU's median and hurting it. Once again, do the math.

Retake, Retake, Retake.

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Re: 3.90/171 - retake?

Postby CanadianWolf » Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:42 pm

No risk whatsoever in retaking if the result is the same or only a point or two higher, in answer to your question.

Is your goal admission to a T-6 or admission with money to CCN ? Either way, you need to retake.

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Re: 3.90/171 - retake?

Postby Br3v » Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:52 pm

rebexness wrote:
wert3813 wrote:
This is for the 2010-2011 cycle correct. Are update stats out yet?


Medians are out for:

Y-173
S-not out
H- 25 170, 75 175
C-172
C-not out
N-25 169, 75 173

So....Maybe at median for Chi/NYU.


Chicago is out: 171

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Re: 3.90/171 - retake?

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Re: 3.90/171 - retake?

Postby kwu » Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:09 pm

https://career.berkeley.edu/law/lawStats.stm

You seem safe for Columbia and NYU, at any rate. Chicago would definitely bite, given its recent appetite for high GPAs.

If you can write a strong personal statement and secure glowing recs, SLS is in the running too.

You may wish to retake for HLS. 173+ seems to be the norm, and they took only 1 of 40 from the Class of 2011... ONE.

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Re: 3.90/171 - retake?

Postby florida1949 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:27 pm

WhiskeynCoke wrote:
1) what are my current chances at t6, given that i have pretty weak softs (director of the debate team, legal clinical experience, research experience, probably middling recommendations, maybe something consulting-related in the upcoming summer)

2) is there a risk to retaking the lsat and receiving a score that's either the same or only two points higher? like is a 171/172 retake worse than a 171?


Currently your chances are decent at CCN and slim at HYS, and certainly not guaranteed IN at any of them. This is beside the point.

The real issue is to retake or not to retake? To answer this you must ask yourself two questions:

1. What do I have to gain?
- EVERYTHING
- Just a minor point gain (even +1) would help you tremendously but putting you over some medians helping you get IN.
- Every point you bump up improves your likelihood of receiving scholarship $$$$ EXPONENTIALLY
- Basically, each point on the LSAT is worth tens of thousands of dollars (scholly) in addition to the long-term opportunities offered by going to a badass school.
- Just picture how much more competitive you'd be with a 175/3.9 vs 171/3.9.... ($$$$)

2. What do I have to lose?
- NOTHING
- (basically just your time and $160, which is well worth it)

Do the math dude. Schools only take your highest score. You can pay a $160 registration fee to have an extremely good chance (considering your PT avg) of winning hundreds of thousands, plus entrance to the schools of your dreams. There is absolutely NO justification not to retake, it would be utterly idiotic to waste the opportunity. If you don't improve on your 2nd try take it a 3rd time! Seriously.

To answer your second question, a 171/172 is EXPONENTIALLY BETTER than a 171 alone. Schools take ONLY YOUR HIGHEST SCORE, and the difference between a 171 and a 172 is the difference between Helping CLS/NYU's median and hurting it. Once again, do the math.

Retake, Retake, Retake.



this about sums it up, score 2-3 points higher and you're a lock at HYS

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Re: 3.90/171 - retake?

Postby JWalker » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:59 pm

Retake and get Harvard.

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Re: 3.90/171 - retake?

Postby vzapana » Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:55 pm

here are the most recent details from ABA:

TLS’ TOP 10
Yale – 3.90/173
Stanford – 3.85/170
Harvard – 3.89/173
Columbia – 3.72/172
Chicago – 3.87/171
NYU – 3.71/172
Berkeley – 3.79/167
Penn – 3.86/170
UVA – 3.86/170
Michigan – 3.76/169

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Re: 3.90/171 - retake?

Postby francesfarmer » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:05 pm

turtles wrote:1) what are my current chances at t6, given that i have pretty weak softs (director of the debate team, legal clinical experience, research experience, probably middling recommendations, maybe something consulting-related in the upcoming summer)

2) is there a risk to retaking the lsat and receiving a score that's either the same or only two points higher? like is a 171/172 retake worse than a 171?

edit: oh yeah, and i'm not a urm, i'm chinese-american

You will get into NYU, at the very least.
171 seems like it may be an accurate assessment of your abilities if your PTs dipped below 174, especially toward the end of your prep. Is it not conventional wisdom that you'll test a few points lower than your average PT? My average PT was 4-5 points higher than what I got.
That said, I retook at 170 and it was a great choice. You don't have much to lose.




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